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Adobe is basically saying that Flash will be available on competitor's phones and the market will decide; which is exactly the right response. I wish most tech bloggers would take this view and just shut up with the endless "analysis" of Flash and Apple. Flamewars don't decide anything, the market does.
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Yeah this was a clearly worded and classy response, definitely better than I expected.
i disagree. they ignored all the main points in apple's argument. a "This is why Flash is worthwhile" response is better than a "Well, at least we'll be on android."
It's a pretty weak retort by Adobe.
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> In the end, Jobs provided a very hypocritical argument FTFY
I can't really see how apple is hypocritical with this issue. I quote the text below from my last comment. "Apple is not telling Adobe, Microsoft or any other corporation to open up their platform. They are only stating that they believe web standards should be open and not controlled by a single party." If someone got a different impression from Steve's letter I think you should read it again. If you think I got the…
I'm glad that Adobe decided to take the mature route. Further lashing out against Apple would have only exacerbated the situation. In the end, Jobs provided a very rational argument and the brevity of Adobe's response lends itself well to that conclusion.
http://jessewarden.com/2010/04/steve-jobs-on-flash-correctin...
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i disagree. they ignored all the main points in apple's argument. a "This is why Flash is worthwhile" response is better than a "Well, at least we'll be on android."
Agreed. If I'm coding a mobile version of my website and I can do it in flash and support 50% of smartphones or do it in HTML5, CSS, and Javascript and support 100% of smartphones which one am I going to pick... It's a pretty weak retort by Adobe.
I think it's safe to generalize that most people (as in "end users") only care about Flash in the context of video and games.
Adobe is basically saying that Flash will be available on competitor's phones and the market will decide; which is exactly the right response. I wish most tech bloggers would take this view and just shut up with the endless "analysis" of Flash and Apple. Flamewars don't decide anything, the market does.
Let's keep in mind, however, that there is not really one monolithic "market". Just as McDonalds co-exists with Jean Georges, the legions of Android clones running Flash, etc. will peacefully coexist with iPhones, except without the responsive UX, battery life, or even a fundamental sense of taste. (edit: would the downvoters like to justify themselves? have they seen a Android device with a responsive UI? I haven't.…
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This is going to be interesting, because if they do manage to put flash and Air on a broad range of other platforms then we will see Jobs's assertion about cross platform frameworks slowing down progress be put to the test.
It already has been put to the test, in countless other situations. For example, look at video game consoles -- crossplatform libraries ensure that really high quality games can be ported to every major platform. Do they lack some features of some consoles? Yes. Regardless, are they still hella fun to play? Of course!
Surely the best argument against Job's position is the iPhone itself. The most important and dominant crossplatform framework in the world is HTML+JS and Apple actually wanted it to take the place of native frameworks. But we all know how that ended and now we have the App Store.
To support his fears on crossplatform frameworks they would have to supplant native apps and I just don't think it happens. OSX's problems with inferior crossplatform titles stem from a comparative lack of native applications - not from the crossplatform software itself.
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> Jobs is trying to undermine the competition because he fears that he made the wrong choice. You think so? Smart-phones have been around a long time. The iPhone was announced over three years ago, yet here we are in the middle of 2010 and mobile Flash is still nowhere to be found on any mobile device. How is that not Adobe's fault? Is Adobe just not very interested in mobile Flash, or are there very serious technica…
I think Symbian (S60) devices have had flash since 2004 or something and they've shipped tens of millions of devices since then. Also at least Nokia's Symbian devices are OMAP based like iPhone. I'm not saying that Adobe's Flash has had a huge impact on the Symbian world, but just to get the facts straight.
Going all philosophical: If a software has zero users, does it still exist?
EDIT: My view may be dated. I haven't checked what Nokia is offering through the ovi-system these days, could be that Flash Lite is actually somewhat widely used nowadays.
Also: Flash Lite has existed also in Nokia Series 40 models ("standard phones", not smart phones) since 2007 or so...
Does this sentence make zero sense to anyone else? We feel confident that were Apple and Adobe to work together as we are with a number of other partners, we could provide a terrific experience with Flash on the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch.
I makes total sense. Shall I reword it slightly for you? Were Apple and Adobe to work together, as we are with a number of other partners, we feel confident that we could provide a terrific experience with Flash on the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch
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> Jobs is trying to undermine the competition because he fears that he made the wrong choice. You think so? Smart-phones have been around a long time. The iPhone was announced over three years ago, yet here we are in the middle of 2010 and mobile Flash is still nowhere to be found on any mobile device. How is that not Adobe's fault? Is Adobe just not very interested in mobile Flash, or are there very serious technica…
I think Symbian (S60) devices have had flash since 2004 or something and they've shipped tens of millions of devices since then. Also at least Nokia's Symbian devices are OMAP based like iPhone. I'm not saying that Adobe's Flash has had a huge impact on the Symbian world, but just to get the facts straight.