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Re: The Untouchables – Apple’s new OS “activation” for Touch Bar MacBook Pros

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Post by chillacy » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 2:08 AM UTC

johnward wrote: post #28

blauditore wrote: post #24

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> The windows machines are unusable with all the forced updating, antivirus inefficiencies, and basically spyware. Hardly ever had such problems on machines I was able to manage myself. I'm not sure what you're referring to by "forced updating"; the W10 upgrade or just regular updates?

Are they referring to corporate policies/software forcing updates?

Yes. Corporate IT will install extra software on the machine which does this kind of thing.

On the macs, there's an auto-updater which forces a restart with a countdown, no way to stop it. Its not by Apple for sure, based on how jankey it looks, but terminating the process will prevent the restart. The worst is spyware which randomly spins up one of the CPUs to 100% for 10 mins every few hours while it runs du.

Re: The Untouchables – Apple’s new OS “activation” for Touch Bar MacBook Pros

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Post by organsnyder » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 1:59 PM UTC

msbarnett wrote: post #60

organsnyder wrote: post #26

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Not all pros work in large enterprises, but a large portion of them do. My employer (a 20,000+ employee healthcare system) issues me a MacBook Pro, but the client techs have to do heroics do manage it, compared to the Thinkpads that are normally issued. I'm happy to have the choice (I actually like the Thinkpad hardware better, but OSX is better suited to my workflow as a developer compared to Windows), but Apple cer…

Yikes. As a professional, I'd never submit to someone else controlling the tools I use to ply my trade, and in my entire career I've never had to. Even when I've worked for large orgs (40k+ employees), Developers have always been root on their own machines, which were never managed centrally. Do you seriously beg some tech to allow you to install the tools you need, or allow you to load kexts to instrument system cal…

No, I get root access. But I still need centrally-provisioned tools in order to access the VPN, email, etc.—basically, the non-development parts of my job.

Re: The Untouchables – Apple’s new OS “activation” for Touch Bar MacBook Pros

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Post by johnward » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 2:15 PM UTC

chillacy wrote: post #71

johnward wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they referring to corporate policies/software forcing updates?

Yes. Corporate IT will install extra software on the machine which does this kind of thing. On the macs, there's an auto-updater which forces a restart with a countdown, no way to stop it. Its not by Apple for sure, based on how jankey it looks, but terminating the process will prevent the restart. The worst is spyware which randomly spins up one of the CPUs to 100% for 10 mins every few hours while it runs du.

We get updates through a corporate AppStore and they function like normal Apple updates. I can choose when to install, etc. I found the software underneath (https://www.jamf.com/solutions/technologies/mac-management/). Sounds like a better UX than what you got stuck with.

The spyware on my personal phone so that I can read corporate email is pretty asinine though.

Re: The Untouchables – Apple’s new OS “activation” for Touch Bar MacBook Pros

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Post by orbitur » Wed, Nov 30, 2016, 2:16 PM UTC

canuckintime wrote: post #64

orbitur wrote: post #48

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All the (expensive and custom-manufactured) evidence backs up that thinking, so I'm not sure why you're being snarky about it.

iPhone 5c, iPhone SE, Apple watch series 1 etc use evidence that Apple takes availability of stock parts into design considerations. That doesn't imply that the Apple Watch poor sales theory is correct though

The iPhone 5c was an attempt at a "youth market" that didn't exist, but I'll agree it was cheap for them to make it.

However, the iPhone SE had 98% of the guts of the 6S in a smaller package. That's not a cheap or simple thing to do.

And the Series 1 Apple Watch had a better CPU. That's basically a different watch.