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Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by lap421 »

yolesaber wrote: post #55
ilolu wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But still you can't label 60 million people just because they voted for Trump. There will be few who are racist. But by labelling everyone, you are basically ignoring the reasons they voted for Trump and increasing the divide. Trump took advantage of the many people's anxiety. What should be done is take steps for an inclusive growth including people who are anxious, dis-enchanted with establishment. But by labelling…

I've talked to plenty of people who voted for Trump. To be completely frank, many of their reasons boil down to emotional garbage like "he tells it like it is" / he "speaks for the common guy". But who is this common guy? In America, it's a white guy. The people who voted for Trump voted for him despite the obvious and endlessly apparent evidence that he is sexist, racist, and generally an awful person. What can be s…

Obama is a racist, you are too.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by calebm »

allengeorge wrote: post #32
ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

While I'm sure that sexism and racism does play a role for some voters, I believe (anecdotally, without data-based evidence) that its influence is overstated. Commentators who simply point to those factors are demonizing the "other" and perversely, are making it even harder to achieve consensus on issues. After all, how can you respect your opponent if they're sexist or racist? That aside, broadly, Hillary lost becau…

About half of Trump's supporters were women; which sex are sexist against?

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Wellshit »

That's exactly the problem. It's uncivil if I do it, but justified if they enforce it. Double standards much?

To be clear: I don't give a flying f* about what you do with your body, but don't fire me if I happen to use a personal pronoun that doesn't match your feeling.

You had no problem in disregarding my opinion, and felt the need to protect their views.

Please take the time to view this video

https://youtu.be/kasiov0ytEc

And don't you dare cut me off of my right to free speech because you don't agree with me.

I won't be offended if you ignore me.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by yolesaber »

Omnius wrote: post #61
yolesaber wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've talked to plenty of people who voted for Trump. To be completely frank, many of their reasons boil down to emotional garbage like "he tells it like it is" / he "speaks for the common guy". But who is this common guy? In America, it's a white guy. The people who voted for Trump voted for him despite the obvious and endlessly apparent evidence that he is sexist, racist, and generally an awful person. What can be s…

Trump's election != racist america. I voted Johnson because i couldn't stomach voting for trump and there was no way i was going to vote for Hillary. The Dems could have run literally ANYONE other then her and they would have had an easy win. Same goes for the Rep's they could have run anyone (well maybe not cruz) other than Trump and had an easy win against Hillary. Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trum…

>Anecdotally i know many people that voted for Trump and not one of them was happy about doing it.

But they still did it. They still voted for an outspoken racist and sexist. They voted for a man who wants to register every Muslim in a database. What does that say about them?

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by smoyer »

qznc wrote: post #4

> This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart. Everybody knows where the other echo chamber is. As a democrat, you are free to watch Fox or read Breitbart. The hard thing is to read it open minded. The average democrat HN visitor probably looks there and stops after two sentences. Then leaves ranting a…

One of my (current) favorite quotes:

"And so I pretend not to hear her. And go out to get an envelope because I'm going to have a hell of a good time in the process of buying one envelope. I meet a lot of people. And, see some great looking babes. And a fire engine goes by. And I give them the thumbs up. And, and ask a woman what kind of dog that is. And, and I don't know. The moral of the story is, is we're here on Earth to fart around. And, of course, the computers will do us out of that. And, what the computer people don't realize, or they don't care, is we're dancing animals. You know, we love to move around. And, we're not supposed to dance at all anymore."

- Kurt Vonnegut

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by nogbit »

qznc wrote: post #4

> This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart. Everybody knows where the other echo chamber is. As a democrat, you are free to watch Fox or read Breitbart. The hard thing is to read it open minded. The average democrat HN visitor probably looks there and stops after two sentences. Then leaves ranting a…

This has been fixed many times over in history...start you own news/media outlet. It's much easier these days.

It's super easy to be open minded about it once you realize it's all bullshit everywhere.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by nogbit »

travmatt wrote: post #21
dev360 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently switched to Wall Street journal and I have been impressed by their reporting on politics. I felt like they reported objectively on this election, at least to the point where a bias was not distinguishable. Their tech news are also really good - you end up reading lots of stories that will be on the front page of HN throughout the day.

Business journalism typically comes with less partisanship when it comes to reporting politics. But my partisan, naive assumption would be that they cover subjects like TPP, the DAPL, and social security privatization from a very biased point of view.

That is true, and the card to play against that scenario is reading something like the Economist.

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by Wellshit »

allengeorge wrote: post #32
ilolu wrote: post #14

When Hillary lost to one of the worst candidates ever in Trump, then its her fault. But from what I seen in social media, Hillary's supporters are just blaming everyone else for the loss rather than finding fault in their candidate. I have even seen tweets claiming all Trump's voters (60 million people) are sexist, racist etc. It could just be a simple fact that people value other things more than just sexism and rac…

While I'm sure that sexism and racism does play a role for some voters, I believe (anecdotally, without data-based evidence) that its influence is overstated. Commentators who simply point to those factors are demonizing the "other" and perversely, are making it even harder to achieve consensus on issues. After all, how can you respect your opponent if they're sexist or racist? That aside, broadly, Hillary lost becau…

I guess

https://twitter.com/search?q=treats%20women%20from%3AHillary...

Re: Dear Democrats, Read This If You Do Not Understand Why Trump Won

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Post by cwisecarver »

qznc wrote: post #4

> This is the problem with America today, the technology that was supposed to bring us together actually isolated us into echo chambers and drove us further apart. Everybody knows where the other echo chamber is. As a democrat, you are free to watch Fox or read Breitbart. The hard thing is to read it open minded. The average democrat HN visitor probably looks there and stops after two sentences. Then leaves ranting a…

The problem is that the "other echo chamber" isn't making arguments that are based on facts, not true facts at least. You can't have an argument with a climate change denier. It's unpossible. If we can't agree on a common set of facts then there's nothing else to talk about.

The way to fix it is to force anyone that broadcasts a video signal over cable or the airwaves or the internet to have a few hours a night of commercial free news. If they publish something that's patently not true then the government should revoke their license to broadcast on every medium. The only problem with that is that it would be very easy to get state run media in that situation.

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