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Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by chrisper »

ditados wrote: post #33
nkurz wrote: post #19

3. “Hackintoshes” aren’t good enough. ↩︎ Is this really true? Yes, there are currently support issues, but this would seem to be because Apple exclusively makes its own hardware and doesn't legally permit running their OS on anything else. Might macOS thrive if it was retargeted to (or at least officially permitted use of) high-end 3rd-party hardware? Microsoft doesn't make their own high-end workstations, and Window…

Marco does iOS development, and there are a number of features that simply won't run on a Hackintosh. Anything involving crypto is dicey, and stuff that relies on (for instance) having an official serial number (like iMessage) will also fail. But that is irrelevant for a lot other use cases.

>and stuff that relies on (for instance) having an official serial number (like iMessage) will also fail.

Which is not true. I have gotten my iMessage to work without having to clone a serial number.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by et2o »

Yabood wrote: post #57

> Microsoft is boldly experimenting with PC hardware, but Windows and everything around Windows is woefully inferior to macOS and the Mac software ecosystem. Even if Microsoft did everything right, it would take Windows at least a decade to catch up — and they won’t do everything right. A whole decade to catch up? I use Windows and macOS on daily basis for web development and various other tasks. I find macOS inferio…

Can't cut and paste with the keyboard...?

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by Ensorceled »

douche wrote: post #63
Ensorceled wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, that was a convincing argument. Edit: Every business on the planet runs Office, and they used to all run Exchange, Outlook and SharePoint. They got Windows as a side effect.

They still do run all that stuff, they are just letting Microsoft administer it for them increasingly, rather than fiddle-frig around with on-premise deployments. Office 365 is exploding.

Many corporations do, but Exchange and Sharepoint are no longer practically a "given" like they use to be.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by bitwize »

Adaptive wrote: post #16

"Linux can solve some pro needs, but not most. It’s a fantastic server OS but a miserable desktop one, and that will probably never change." When I switched in 2005 I had to convince friends I wasn't crazy. I advocated for the platform. I suffered weird incompatibilities. I dealt with bad updates. I found work arounds for non-multi-platform tools I had to run. But look how stable, how much less restrictive the platfo…

Virtually all of the rendering heavy lifting and many of the desktops in the world of cinematic VFX are Linux. Have been for years. Even Pixar has a Linux desktop fleet.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by UnoriginalGuy »

derefr wrote: post #54

> We can’t just buy hideous Xeon workstations from Dell and install macOS on them. Sure you can. Or rather, you can install the [free] VMWare ESXi hypervisor on said hideous box, and then install macOS on that . The ESXi hypervisor is an officially-supported macOS hardware configuration. Apple want you to only run macOS guests through ESXi if you're on macOS hardware, but there's literally nothing stopping you from d…

> The ESXi hypervisor is an officially-supported macOS hardware configuration.

ON APPLE HARDWARE. If you run MacOS on non-Apple hardware it isn't officially supported at all, effectively piracy, and you need to hack ESXi to make it work at all (ESXi Unlocker, etc).

> but there's literally nothing stopping you from doing otherwise.

Except the license agreements (both Apple and VMWare), and the fact that ESXi won't do it unless modified.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by jeremymcanally »

Yabood wrote: post #57

> Microsoft is boldly experimenting with PC hardware, but Windows and everything around Windows is woefully inferior to macOS and the Mac software ecosystem. Even if Microsoft did everything right, it would take Windows at least a decade to catch up — and they won’t do everything right. A whole decade to catch up? I use Windows and macOS on daily basis for web development and various other tasks. I find macOS inferio…

> Can't cut and paste with keyboard, can't lock your screen with keyboard...

Uh, are you using some weird KVM or something? There are keyboard shortcuts for both of those.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by et2o »

woofdogwoof wrote: post #66

Not sure what the author point was. He told us that chips aren't getting faster, so the only way to add speed was to add cores, then he told us that we can get 22 cores from a Mac Pro. As far as I know no other desktop can deliver 22 cores, so what is he griping about? Is he upset that Apple hasn't released a Pro with 48 cores?

You can only get maximum 6 cores from a Mac Pro currently. He is saying that the modern processors they should be using have 22 cores.

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by rcarmo »

chrisper wrote: post #71
ditados wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Marco does iOS development, and there are a number of features that simply won't run on a Hackintosh. Anything involving crypto is dicey, and stuff that relies on (for instance) having an official serial number (like iMessage) will also fail. But that is irrelevant for a lot other use cases.

>and stuff that relies on (for instance) having an official serial number (like iMessage) will also fail. Which is not true. I have gotten my iMessage to work without having to clone a serial number.

I'm curious about that, since iMessage and iTunes Match have been a constant source of trouble to one of my colleagues. He also mentions that the device is flagged as "Untrusted" in Find My Mac...

Re: A world without the Mac Pro

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Post by hartator »

ditados wrote: post #28
hartator wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows 10 has Linux subsystem now, which is Ubuntu 14.04. I would say it's at least on par now with MacOS.

Believe me, it's not. Even when the userland gets updated to 16.04, it's still heavily dependent on the Windows kernel, and the networking stack (for example) will not be the same. The WSL will never replace a native Linux OS. Period. But it will be pretty useful for some lighter use cases. As a dev, I'm still not convinced it's good enough, given the recent issues with Ruby and Node.

What issues are you talking about? I was about able to run a full Rails installation with MongoDB, Redis and Sidekiq without issues.

But, I kind of agree actually, the only true issue was advanced socket issue with PhantomJS. Like for some reasons, Capybara/Poltergeist can't connect to it. It's the only reasons I am back to MacOS. But, I think I will switch as soon as it fixes. It should be soon.

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