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FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by jbermudes »

jljljl wrote: post #51
malchow wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be absolutely objective about it, there really are people in prison for doing with confidential state secrets what Secretary Clinton did with confidential state secrets. [1] http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/kristian-saucier-inves...

There's a few likely differences, although it's hard to tell from the limited info in the Clinton case: 1) Saucier generated the classified information. He took the photos. I don't think there was evidence the Clinton was knowingly sending classified information to non-cleared individuals 2) Saucier himself deleted the files from his laptop after learning he was under investigation. The FBI in Clinton's case determin…

Regarding #2, there's some circumstantial evidence that there was an attempt to hide emails either through deleting them or not turning them over:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9272#efmBA7BOJ

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Post by DanielBMarkham »

MaxfordAndSons wrote: post #58
DanielBMarkham wrote: post #45

As a third-party voter I really don't want to get into a discussion about the major candidates. But as a hacker I am interested in how the political system operates. So let's speculate that a candidate is elected to office and then is indicted on a felony. What happens? Obviously anybody can be elected president, so there's no legal problem. But Congress also is charged with certifying electors. Would they certify el…

Interesting question regarding certifying electors. I sure don't know. Wouldn't be surprised if Trump supporting Representatives tries to hold up that process though, were HRC to be found guilty between winning and the certification. I can't imagine the timeline of a trial would allow that to happen though. Regarding the self-pardoning, as discussed elsewhere, it wouldn't really matter, she could still be impeached.…

I believe what we're discovering is that once a major party picks you, you really can't be tried for any crime. You could be charged. If you lost the election you could be tried. But I'm not seeing how the state could effectively conduct a criminal court case of a major candidate.

This leads me to believe that Congress really has to decide. Beats me whether they should decide before or after the person is sworn in.

(Of course this is just speculating about a generic case.)

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by ethanbond »

drawnwren wrote: post #30
insickness wrote: post #17

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> average voters either don't care What were you saying about 'wishful thinking?' A presidential candidate under FBI investigation on election day is huge.

I haven't seen any numbers that indicate the nation cares either way on this. Here's some analysis of Hilary getting slight gains after the announcement that FBI wouldn't prosecute.[1] Is your comment based on polling or just gut feeling? [1] http://www.inquisitr.com/3287325/hillary-clinton-polls-did-f...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/09/hi...

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by o0-0o »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #41

As much as I would like this to be true, I think that's a pretty biased interpretation of his letter. My reading would be this: "We found some new emails. They're relevant, but we don't know if they're important. We're looking into it." What I find interesting is the timing of this letter and, possibly, the fact that he wrote it at all . But we can't judge the significance of those without knowing if this is standard…

Methinks that Comey is factoring in a Trump win, and that the 33,000 deleted emails are coming out before election day.

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Post by philk10 »

JohnTHaller wrote: post #43
eli wrote: post #13

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I've heard many people cite emails as the main reason they are not voting for her. I assume most of them actually would never have voted for her anyway, but it's a real issue.

The majority of them have no idea what they're talking about if you ask them "what about the emails?" and are just parroting a talking point. Even if she was fully cleared and they were made aware of the fact that Republicans have done the same thing, it would not change their minds.

Exactly - I had an argument with one who kept parroting that she had 3 servers but only said 1 when asked by the FBI, when I asked if they knew what an email server was they had no clue

Re: FBI Reopens Clinton E-Mail Probe Less Than Two Weeks Before Vote

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Post by jonknee »

o0-0o wrote: post #66
dsp1234 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The letter states "referred to the fact that the FBI had completed it's investigation". Then the letter states "I agreed that the FBI should take appropriate investigative steps designed to allow.... whether they contain classified information". In plain English, the case was closed, but now there is new evidence and we're investigating it. Sounds like 're-opening' to me.

They are in fact re-opening so they can ammend the findings. If it is determined that new emails warrant charges, she may be charged. The real news story here is that this is what everyone will be talking about for the next weekend, that's three days, with a response by her on Monday. So, maybe four days. That's more than 30% of the remaining election cycle. As Trump would say. This is big league.

FWIW according to CBS News, they never officially closed the investigation so nothing is in fact being re-opened:

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/792063653919031296

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Post by babygoat »

ktRolster wrote: post #59
Waterluvian wrote: post #3

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Impeachment and VP becomes president? Or personal pardon!

If you were a Republican, would you really want Tim Kaine instead of Hillary Clinton? That would be like Democrats impeaching Bush and getting Cheney instead.

Where are you getting Cheney?

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Post by stanleydrew »

samfisher83 wrote: post #18
bcrescimanno wrote: post #11

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She cannot be "convicted" of anything so long as she's in office. She would have to be impeached and removed from office (or resign) before she could actually stand trial for whatever crime may have been committed.

If the democrats get the senate as predicted then she won't be impeached.

I believe the House of Representatives brings articles of impeachment, not the Senate, and the House will likely hold its Republican majority.

The Senate is only required to actually convict. It's pretty much a disaster simply to be impeached at all. No conviction is really necessary to permanently damage someone politically.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_impeachment

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Post by ethanbond »

hackuser wrote: post #28

To say the obvious: There is great risk of the FBI and/or Comey trying to influence the outcome of the election. Earlier, when Comey said Clinton had been "extremely careless", it seemed to overstep his bounds: He played judge and jury, and convicted her without trial. To do this two weeks before the election raises very serious questions about the U.S.'s most fundamental institutions, rule of law, and democracy. Eve…

You know, minus the whole lack of a charge, trial, conviction, punishment, or even official reprimand.

Besides that it's exactly as if Comey convicted her without trial. /s

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