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Re: Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

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There's a possible ugly 5th heartbreaker: "we love your topic and experience but you look too old and unhip for our hip frontend conference". I've been rejected for conferences where every speaker that was accepted looked well under 30. At the least, no one had grey hair. It's frustrating to me because the very same conferences are highly vocal about seeking diversity, and do usually end up with some gender diversity…

Totally agree. I've noticed something else similarly disturbing. The people who advocate the loudest for demographic diversity aren't really interested in diversity of ideas. They want to see men and women of all shapes and colors saying similar things. If you want thought provoking talks, diversity of ideas is far more important than having a group of speakers that looks like captain planet and the planeteers.

I want to see talks where presentors have radically different approaches to problems. I want to see Zed Shaw and Douglas Crockford have a passionate explitive laden argument about the merits of Ruby vs server side JS only to see Ken Thompson or Rob Pike blow their minds with a talk about go. So what if they all happen to be white guys. What matters is they have interesting things to say and vastly different perspectives coming from long careers in the industry honing their craft.

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Submit to smaller, more focused or more local conferences. You can't expect to be accepted at huge popular conferences speaking in front of hundreds of people on your first try. Submitting to more focused conferences gives you a better chance of being accepted. And also it lets you make a fool of yourself with a smaller audience. Very few people are good at something the first time they try it. Why do you imagine y…

If you are interested in public speaking, but don't have too much practice in speaking, I highly recommend checking out a local open mic and trying out some stand up. Easier to look a fool telling jokes than look a fool making a valid point. edit: or Toastmasters

+1 for Toastmasters.

Among other things, Toastmasters will cure you of what ails many accomplished speakers. That is, the verbal or non-verbal tic (umm, ahh, so, like, wild gestures, hands in pocket).

Re: Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

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From the viewpoint of a self-supporting individual (not having someone else foot the bill) who would only be interested in learning about new topics in a field, does anyone here think it is worth hundreds to thousands in cost to attend a conference, and why? Is there anything there one would definitely miss about advances in the field if not attending? Or is it more about (essentially) self-promotion?

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> Heartbreaker #4 – The N00b > [...] > This presentation would have been accepted if we had seen speaker talked at local meetup groups, had a recorded presentation we could view, or maintained a blog so that we could foresee of how he would present his ideas and build an argument. Perhaps we were outliers, but @buu700 and I were accepted to BlackHat and DEF CON with no prior speaking experience outside from a dry run…

Indeed, I've been on program committees were we have picked first-time speakers. Usually because the subject seems very compelling, and there is very little overlap with other submitted talks.

If the situation is: We have 5 talks on "Getting started with Xamarin". You pick the experienced speaker, but there is only 1 talk on "Implement your backend in Swift" it is much more likely to get picked.

Re: Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

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There's a possible ugly 5th heartbreaker: "we love your topic and experience but you look too old and unhip for our hip frontend conference". I've been rejected for conferences where every speaker that was accepted looked well under 30. At the least, no one had grey hair. It's frustrating to me because the very same conferences are highly vocal about seeking diversity, and do usually end up with some gender diversity…

People are also pretty enamored lately with the idea of the perfect "Code of Conduct" for their conferences.

(Completely ignoring that local, state, and federal laws all already exist to handle all of it.)

Re: Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

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post #44

There is a big elephant in the room here: Most conferences have been converted to strictly money-making entities. Here is how it works: - a RFP is published - you submit - you get a response: "Unfortunately, your proposal did not get accepted, however, we have a limited number of time slots for sponsors. If you become a silver sponsor..." In other words, you can submit any crap, as long as you provide "sponsorship".…

Although conferences are hard work to put on, and I certainly don't want to imply that the organizers don't deserve to be paid well, I've noticed a large rise in other types of (sleazy) money-making conferences as well. I've been cold-called by several conferences before (not totally unusual, I've spoken at a few large ones, and my name's out there) where they ask me to speak, but "don't have the budget" for payment…

It's worth noting that many prestigious genuine conferences do not reimburse speakers and charge them for a full price ticket as well.

For example, all the ACM conferences.

I actually like this - everyone contributes to the costs, and speakers are just attendees like everyone else.

I've seen people get extremely irate when they see this, saying it's a scam, but at many conferences speakers are just normal attendees like anyone else.

Re: Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

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Before any of the rest of this, I want to say that this is a useful article for people as conferences actually do think like this, but my comment is then to point out that not all conferences do, and that I generally prefer attending ones which don't.

> The premise is good, but the abstract is so short we have no idea where this is going to go. Even if the speaker were experienced and a known conference superstar, it is hard to give the presenter a speaking slot without more detail.

When you go to a performance by a standup comedian, you don't read an abstract first: if there is even a title it is probably arbitrary or a gag.

When I go to a conference and am choosing to bother going to see a talk, I select talks based on who is speaking, not based on their abstract.

In my experience, a good speaker is interesting no matter what they are talking about, and otherwise the talk ends up being disappointing no matter how on point the abstract is to my interests.

You might then ask: "but surely the good speaker is capable of making a good abstract?", but the best talks are also coordinated and topical and deep.

The person whose talks I most enjoy and now never miss is essentially incapable of making an abstract ahead of time, as his talk is based on his thoughts and passions at that moment, and are about topics so compelling that after the talk I would have a hard time summarizing it other than "you really should have been there".

You might then ask "but is the speaker actually good if the audience member can't summarize the talk?", and I will claim the exact opposite: if you can replace the talk with a summary of the content and (maybe) the slides, you should not be wasting anyone's time with a talk.

This is something both many conferences and many attendees fundamentally seem to not "get": they ask for peoples' slides, as if they have meaning. One may as well ask for a photograph of the empty sets for a play they missed instead of a video of the performance, that is how much content you can recover from the slides and abstract of a good talk.

> It’s crummy to turn away such a good presentation, but it’s also risky to entrust your conference audience to someone who has never presented before.

But this is also how you get extremely loyal speakers who will speak at your conference for free while refusing to even bother speaking at other venues. It is also how you manage to show your audience "something new" instead of "the same old people that every conference gets to speak as they are the safe bet / known quantity".

The absolute best regular conference I go to, by far, gets all of this: the couple that runs 360|iDev works with new speakers to hone ideas (many speakers I have talked to are incredibly grateful to this conference for giving them "their break"), but doesn't even bother with an approval process for known good speakers, and they then aren't afraid to have sessions at their conference with neither a title nor an abstract, just a name, a bio, and a "placeholder" title and abstract that are devoid of content. It is seriously the only conference where I really find myself interested to bother attending any of the talks past "I guess I absolutely need to try to see this so I can talk about it with other people tonight sigh".

Expanding into the category of atypical conferences, XOXO takes the cake, but it is half-festival, was never sure if it was anything more than a temporary concept, and doesn't really have a "topic" that is easy to describe. But, the Andy's hand-nurture first-time speakers based on core attendees and prior speakers "nominating" people they really want to see give talks, many of whom are artists or bloggers who might even "perform" in various ways but have never given a talk. The schedule has names and bios, but not a single title or abstract.

Re: Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

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post #22

A lot of the comments here are complaining about the last point in the article (the n00b), asking how on earth you get started if you have to have presented before in order to present. The article is telling you exactly how to do that: - Speak at local user group meetings. Most of my local meet ups are constantly calling for speakers, and it's an excellent way to get practice at presenting in a lower stress environme…

> Speak at local user group meetings.

As the primary meetup organizer for SLC Python, I wholeheartedly agree. We often have people practicing their talks in front of our group before they go onto much larger forums such as PyCon and Open West. It's also a good chance to practice public speaking and presenting complicated ideas.

Re: Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

#79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Although conferences are hard work to put on, and I certainly don't want to imply that the organizers don't deserve to be paid well, I've noticed a large rise in other types of (sleazy) money-making conferences as well. I've been cold-called by several conferences before (not totally unusual, I've spoken at a few large ones, and my name's out there) where they ask me to speak, but "don't have the budget" for payment…

It's worth noting that many prestigious genuine conferences do not reimburse speakers and charge them for a full price ticket as well. For example, all the ACM conferences. I actually like this - everyone contributes to the costs, and speakers are just attendees like everyone else. I've seen people get extremely irate when they see this, saying it's a scam, but at many conferences speakers are just normal attendees l…

Can't comment on the ACM conferences.

But for most conferences, interesting speakers provide the whole value of the conference - it is what attracts attendees. Therefore, organizers make decent money off of speakers, so no, they are not like regular attendees.

Re: Why Your Excellent Conference Talk Was Rejected

#80

There's a possible ugly 5th heartbreaker: "we love your topic and experience but you look too old and unhip for our hip frontend conference". I've been rejected for conferences where every speaker that was accepted looked well under 30. At the least, no one had grey hair. It's frustrating to me because the very same conferences are highly vocal about seeking diversity, and do usually end up with some gender diversity…

Totally agree. I've noticed something else similarly disturbing. The people who advocate the loudest for demographic diversity aren't really interested in diversity of ideas. They want to see men and women of all shapes and colors saying similar things. If you want thought provoking talks, diversity of ideas is far more important than having a group of speakers that looks like captain planet and the planeteers. I wan…

I don't see these two goals as being mutually exclusive. Even if they are, it'd be good to aim for a balance, rather than just choosing one entirely over the other. They're both good goals for a conference.
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