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The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by eterm »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #66
fecak wrote: post #60

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>As I've gotten older my resumes have gotten shorter. That's refreshing to hear. I hear too many people claiming "I have so much experience and accomplishments that I simply can't fit them all in under four pages". The problem there is just an inability to assess what is the most impressive or relevant experience. Many people do get emotionally attached to the work they've done. I've worked with people transitioning…

> I hear too many people claiming "I have so much experience and accomplishments that I simply can't fit them all in under four pages". The problem there is just an inability to assess what is the most impressive or relevant experience. As someone who recently did some job hunting I will tell you that while I agree on an idealism level with your comment it's just simply not true in practice. I had many, many companie…

For CVs for monster/linked in I have a buzzword bullet list where not everything even gets it's own bullet so it doesn't take up much space.

So as a dev one ends up with bullets like (exaggerated here for effect):

* C# / .Net (ASP.Net webforms, MVC, WCF, Entity framework)

* SQL ( T-SQL, stored procedures, sql-server management)

* Python (Django, Flask, south, numpy, scipy)

* Javascript (jQuery, ES5, ES2016, webpack, bower, npm)

* Front-end frameworks (angular, react, knockout)

* Unit testing (mocha, jasmine, chai, nunit, xunit, junit)

* sourcesafe, bamboo, trello, docker

Yes, there's a danger it can look a bit redundant but it's mostly just there for the box ticking buzzword finding recruiters and prospective employers should understand that too and really be reading the other parts to try to get a better picture of your depth of those and the relevance at your more recent roles.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by fecak »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #66
fecak wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>As I've gotten older my resumes have gotten shorter. That's refreshing to hear. I hear too many people claiming "I have so much experience and accomplishments that I simply can't fit them all in under four pages". The problem there is just an inability to assess what is the most impressive or relevant experience. Many people do get emotionally attached to the work they've done. I've worked with people transitioning…

> I hear too many people claiming "I have so much experience and accomplishments that I simply can't fit them all in under four pages". The problem there is just an inability to assess what is the most impressive or relevant experience. As someone who recently did some job hunting I will tell you that while I agree on an idealism level with your comment it's just simply not true in practice. I had many, many companie…

The 'in practice' part might have some non-human readers involved, but even an ATS scoring a resume isn't likely searching for a huge number of buzzwords that couldn't be contained in the average skills section - a list of maybe 3-4 lines of an entire page.

I definitely agree on the benefit of sending a short resume direct to a human like those on a "Who's Hiring" post, but I don't think a human reader went through your entire 5 pages, and I'm pretty sure you could have achieved the same positive result with 1-2 pages if optimized properly. Maybe not though.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by sotojuan »

user5994461 wrote: post #63
sotojuan wrote: post #53

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I haven't sent a resume in a while. Usually I just give a "cover letter" of sorts that says a) why I'm interested in the job b) what I can offer/why they "need" me, c) why I think so (usually just talk about experience). I have a website that lists my workplaces and my main projects and of course my GitHub, both of which I link. I guess that's my "resume".

Didn't send a cover letter in a while. I am surprised this practise still exists.

Mine's not a cover letter in the usual sense but that's the closest analogy I can think of... I just write an email saying those three things and links to my stuff.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by gentleteblor »

fecak wrote: post #58
gentleteblor wrote: post #55

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This is why the resume endures despite it's many flaws (talked about this in some other comments). There needs to be a summarized, editorialized version of your "history" and that's what the resume does in a (semi) standardized format. The big thing for me is that this summarized/editorialized version shouldn't be what you (the one with the career) manage on a regular basis. You should have a source of truth that is…

It's all marketing really. Many of the devs who struggle the most have some difficulty giving themselves credit for things they've done - they're modest perhaps. I think when I write some of these resumes they are more accepting of them because it's me bragging about their accomplishments. Unfortunately in the resume writing game, there are lots of failed writers that were never involved in hiring. They are good writ…

> Many of the devs who struggle the most have some difficulty giving themselves credit for things they've done

Ain't that the truth. I've been an engineer for a decade, I built a career app, I blog about career management, and i definitely still struggle with this.

And you're right. It's not only about good writing. Writing a good resume is a specific skill. There are so many career specific factors that come into play (industry lingo/keywords, being able to quantify value etc), you can't just make it pretty.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by user5994461 »

pmiller2 wrote: post #62
user5994461 wrote: post #61

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I was about to say you won't find a job with linkedin. At best, it just an indication of some potential companies in the area. Keep the list somewhere in your mind, you never know what could happen to your current job. ... and while I was writing this, I just received a message from a startup that raised 200M and want me to join one of their team of 3 known ex googlers on some hard industry problem. [How crazy. I app…

I currently work in San Francisco. Seems like the hubbiest hub currently hubbing, no? As for my profile, I don't know how rare I am. I'm an average developer who can actually program and write solid production code. I'm a widget... the kind of person companies claim they need but can't hire. I don't blog, tweet, or use Facebook. Do I need to do those things to attract attention? https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-mille…

No great company name. No special univerity. Starting with a slight handicap here.

Intro is too long. Make it shorter and to the point. After 5 or 10 lines, it get hidden automatically.

[Do you realize that you have the equivalent of "I am open totally to leave my current company" while you're working at your current company?]

You lack a lot of keywords. Only Python, DynamoDb, AWS. You must have touched other things. The titles are 4 times "software engineer [intern]". You NEED MORE KEYWORDS.

The short line on each company is good and well written, I love to get context. =)

The content is missing substance. Add business metrics, how many users? how many servers? how many dollars going through? how many mails send [at the mail company]?

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by pmiller2 »

user5994461 wrote: post #75
pmiller2 wrote: post #62

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I currently work in San Francisco. Seems like the hubbiest hub currently hubbing, no? As for my profile, I don't know how rare I am. I'm an average developer who can actually program and write solid production code. I'm a widget... the kind of person companies claim they need but can't hire. I don't blog, tweet, or use Facebook. Do I need to do those things to attract attention? https://www.linkedin.com/in/paul-mille…

No great company name. No special univerity. Starting with a slight handicap here. Intro is too long. Make it shorter and to the point. After 5 or 10 lines, it get hidden automatically. [Do you realize that you have the equivalent of "I am open totally to leave my current company" while you're working at your current company?] You lack a lot of keywords. Only Python, DynamoDb, AWS. You must have touched other things.…

Yeah. Can't do anything about my university or past companies. I do realize I have the equivalent of "I am totally open to leave my current company," because for the right offer, I would. Saying I'm "open to opportunities" means precisely that: offer me something that betters my current and future situation, and I might take it. If a company doesn't understand that, they're deluding themselves.

I have no visibility into these business metrics because they don't tell me.

What type of keywords do you suggest?

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by user5994461 »

sotojuan wrote: post #73
user5994461 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't send a cover letter in a while. I am surprised this practise still exists.

Mine's not a cover letter in the usual sense but that's the closest analogy I can think of... I just write an email saying those three things and links to my stuff.

Right. The separate full blown cover letter is dead. We just put a short text in the initial email to go along the resume.

That's also what I do and recommend.

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by ge96 »

I'm trying to get hired as a junior front end developer. Suck at writing resumes.

This is my worst one so far. Also I've been applying but no responses, I have a defeatist mentality and also I think I do accept that I don't meet the requirements.

http://m.imgur.com/a/oCdvU

I have changed the format some as the bullets as titles doesn't make sense. Still I have to condense and overall my "achievements" are pretty basic. Probably will have to find another menial job. Oh well

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by eric_h »

eterm wrote: post #57
aalear wrote: post #56

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Not sure what issue you're referring to, but you can reach us through the contact form linked at the bottom of every page on our Q&A sites (like the one you found) or by email to team@. Mentioning something like "security vulnerability" in the subject or the body will help get it looked at faster. Edit: checked internally, and this specific issue is being fixed as we speak.

Thanks, I've done that now, hopefully you can find my submission I did put 'security vulnerability' as the top line in the body. If that doesn't narrow it down search for 1635976 also in the body. It's an either an information disclosure issue or an authorization issue (depending on your point of view), I won't say more on here.

I'm curious what you found - once they get it fixed, would you mind sharing in some form?

Re: The Stack Overflow Developer Story: A New Technical Resume

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Post by user5994461 »

pmiller2 wrote: post #76
user5994461 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No great company name. No special univerity. Starting with a slight handicap here. Intro is too long. Make it shorter and to the point. After 5 or 10 lines, it get hidden automatically. [Do you realize that you have the equivalent of "I am open totally to leave my current company" while you're working at your current company?] You lack a lot of keywords. Only Python, DynamoDb, AWS. You must have touched other things.…

Yeah. Can't do anything about my university or past companies. I do realize I have the equivalent of "I am totally open to leave my current company," because for the right offer, I would. Saying I'm "open to opportunities" means precisely that: offer me something that betters my current and future situation, and I might take it. If a company doesn't understand that, they're deluding themselves. I have no visibility i…

The university fades after a bit of experience (and regular switching to better companies :D).

I try but I cannot understand your situation. I couldn't work without business and user metrics. That's the only thing changing from a job to another.

Keywords: More technologies. More trendy job titles. [Don't know what's relevant to your past jobs. Can't help.]

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