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Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#71
Good question! AWS is currently getting a mess for us.

We're facing an auto scaling spot instance bug (it's definitely one) and we're trying since 3 days to contact anybody from them to get our business back on to the road!

We're now forced to sign-up for a paid support plan. Nevertheless, they already breached the SLA of 12 hours, it's really frustrating...

First thought after 5 years of paying them a lot of money to migrate somewhere else (e.g. Google).

It's always ciritcal if you lose your customer contact by implementing strange support barriers to earn 3$ more.

A not anymore happy AWS customer

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#72
There's a little company called Microsoft. Word on the street is they are averaging one new data centre a week now. Although a bit behind AWS they are exceptional at copying market leaders and are getting some good traction with folks like Adobe.

Seriously, worth a look if you need a solid alternative to AWS.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#73
post #34

OVH specializes in dedicated servers ( https://www.ovh.com/ca/en/dedicated-servers/ ) but they offer an API for ordering them and can deliver many of them within a couple of minutes. They have a number of "cloud"/managed offerings as well if you browse around their site. They have datacentres in France and Canada, and are currently bringing up new ones in the US, Australia, and Singapore that they hope to launch by t…

They also have their cheaper branch www.kimsufi.com, lower specs, still dedicated. And you still wouldn't believe the speed difference of a low atom with a VPS, even if the VPS is running on a xeon. Goes double for tail latency.

Also the uptime on my kimsufi is 530 days, you're unlikely to get that with a VPS, or 'cloud instance'.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#74
If you are located in North America, I would suggest looking at Storm On Demand [1] (the unmanaged offering of LiquidWeb).

They offer more bare services than AWS but they provide:

- Virtual Machines with many configurations available (on shared host or dedicated host)

- Private Cloud

- Private LAN with close to sub-millisecond latency

- Automated backup, snapshots

- API

- Load Balancer

- CDN (backed by Akamai)

- Block Storage (but I found it too slow for our needs)

- Different levels of managed hosting

LiquidWeb has even more options, but you usually need to pay for managed hosting (they throw in tons of free bandwidth though).

Support is really good: of course you sometimes end up speaking with someone who is clueless or overworked, but it is extremely rare and most support people are knowledgeable, helpful, and quick. We migrated a legacy VM with old cpanel and drupal sites and even though Drupal is not in their main expertise, they optimized the heck out of the configs and the sites are running twice as fast as before on weaker hardware.

Uptime is excellent: as opposed to Google or Amazon, they do everything in their power to keep the physical host and the VMs up and connected. In other words, they have a single host SLA (Amazon and Google's SLA only applies for multi-AZ outages if I remember correctly). They also built their own datacenters and are not collocating or renting someone else's datacenter.

Performance of their SSD VMs is better than Linode's and DO's VMs in our internal benchmarks.

If you need more than a few VMs, contacting Sales is a really good idea because they can make you some interesting offers.

The main downside for us is that they are located in central US so latency is not ideal for our eastern Canada customer base.

FWIW, we moved all our VMs from Linode to Storm because we lost confidence in Linode (DDOS, security, lack of transparency) even though the ratio performance/cost/reliability (in Newark, before the DDOS incident) was impossible to beat.

[1] https://www.stormondemand.com/

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#75

We just announced our bare metal cloud service at Oracle. It's still new but pretty cool team and underlying tech.

I did a quick search of the site and couldn't find any information on pricing.

Is it one of those things where if you have to ask, it's too expensive for you?

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#76
I am using a few dedicated servers and Rancher (container platform). This way it is magnitudes cheaper than AWS and probably as easy to use. You can also avoid "cloud lock-in" when you start like this.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#77
post #71

Good question! AWS is currently getting a mess for us. We're facing an auto scaling spot instance bug (it's definitely one) and we're trying since 3 days to contact anybody from them to get our business back on to the road! We're now forced to sign-up for a paid support plan. Nevertheless, they already breached the SLA of 12 hours, it's really frustrating... First thought after 5 years of paying them a lot of money t…

So you never paid for their support or had interaction with a account manager?

Sounds like you had blind trust on your "partner" instead of building connection and paying at least for business support.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#78
I think Google Cloud Platform looks solid. Their alternative to EC2 is Google Compute Engine.

If you want stuff taken care of for you, Google App Engine is great. I'll note that I haven't deployed anything to production, only played around with it for fun. The flexible environment is still in beta, so it doesn't provide any SLAs. For a large serious production project that's a big factor to consider. If it's a small app, I think the "magic" is worth it. But I've only hacked together toy node APIs for SPAs.

For data storage, Cloud Datastore looks great. If it seemed to fit my problem, I'd probably go with that. The big problem with that is vendor lock-in. It has an emulator for testing and development. If you had to migrate away from it, I think AppScale [0] has an open source alternative, but I'm unable to vouch for its quality. If I were creating a serious long-term project, a Postgres instance on RDS would probably be my other choice. Google has Cloud SQL, but my experience with MySQL hasn't been as pleasant as with Postgres. I don't know how they compare "at scale".

In my job we use AWS in production, and I've slowly learned my way around it. I'd say I'm still a total beginner with AWS. Although I've only used GCP "for fun", from my limited experience and my perspective as an application developer, it seems more easily approachable / accessible.

[0] https://github.com/AppScale/appscale

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#79
Azure looks like the only major one you missed. I've used both AWS and Azure a lot. The best one will obviously depend on your use case but if you avoid lock in it shouldn't matter too much. I may write more on this if people are interested.

AWS comparison: https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/campaigns/azure-vs-aws/

They have more regions than AWS (30 vs 13):

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/regions/

https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/global-infrastructure/

The naming is a bit funny though:

https://unop.uk/azure-eu-regions-naming-confusion/

Someone here thought this was due to using UN regions.

Re: Ask HN: Alternatives to AWS?

#80
post #52

Personally I am partial to heterogeneous deployments across commodity vendors like Digital Ocean, Vultr, Linode, OVH, etc. You do have to think a little bit more about security and devops but you get a lot of power and robustness for a lot less money. We do use S3 for backups and big storage. That has no equal.

This is exactly what I do and I have had 100% uptime for the last two years.
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