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MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'

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Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'

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Post by Dolores12 »

readhn wrote: post #28
chrischen wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more sanctions

Sanctions are a dirty western political trick just so the politicians here can say "we did something". Sanctions are useless! Do you know who they affect? Regular people ONLY. Who have no say in politics anymore over there (elections are rigged). Facts: 1. Top Russian government officials transferred their assets to Europe / USA over the years. They have their families and kids living abroad and going to European/Ame…

Who is prime-minister of Russia?

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Post by nazgob »

kmerroll wrote: post #62

To cut to the chase, the study confirms what was fairly obvious: - Yes, a Russian missile shot down a commercial aircraft. - Yes, Ukrainian separatists (Russian supported) controlled the area. So what's the outcome? Putin could care less and doesn't answer to any authority that can apply restraint or collect damages. So what does this change?

Families of victims can sue. Like with Yukos case, foreign Russian assets can be arrested to pay for damages. It will probably take many, many years and maybe one of future Russian governments will decide that it is better to close that case. There where so many victims that its almost certain that some families will keep pushing this case forever.

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Post by nazgob »

emp_zealoth wrote: post #67
readhn wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ruining russian military? You mean rusting tanks from the 60's or expired rockets from cold war era? The military can not compete with the west anymore. People there stopped dreaming in the 90's when the ugly side of "new Russia" showed its face. As i said election process is rigged, many folks there want change. please, do not believe 75%+ public support ratings spewed out by state propaganda machines. they are simp…

I've actually been to Russia, through Petersburg, all the way to Solovetsky island, spent around a month there. I'd say that sure, people are nice on a personal level, but some topics were off limits because it would end badly. While i know that the russian military has issues with equipment that is literally falling apart, let's not kid ourselves the west doesn't have similar issues. ICBM's don't need any contempora…

PAK FA is designed to compete with F-22 not F-35. F-35 is single engine, different machine.

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Post by Const-me »

vladimir-y wrote: post #44

I wonder why US and Ukraine still not made public a photos taken by space satellites?

Just one word: clouds.

Satellites can't see through them.

There’re satellite images of the launch site taken on 16 of July 2014, and on 21 of July, but unfortunately, not on the 17 of July.

Re: MH17 missile 'brought in from Russia'

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Post by vladimir-y »

Const-me wrote: post #74
vladimir-y wrote: post #44

I wonder why US and Ukraine still not made public a photos taken by space satellites?

Just one word: clouds. Satellites can't see through them. There’re satellite images of the launch site taken on 16 of July 2014, and on 21 of July, but unfortunately, not on the 17 of July.

I think there should be a chance to track down the trail of a missile event in case of a cloudy weather, at least partially.

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Post by vladimir-y »

Const-me wrote: post #74
vladimir-y wrote: post #44

I wonder why US and Ukraine still not made public a photos taken by space satellites?

Just one word: clouds. Satellites can't see through them. There’re satellite images of the launch site taken on 16 of July 2014, and on 21 of July, but unfortunately, not on the 17 of July.

Also what about thermal photos (detecting thermal emission), is it possible?

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Post by Const-me »

vladimir-y wrote: post #75
Const-me wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just one word: clouds. Satellites can't see through them. There’re satellite images of the launch site taken on 16 of July 2014, and on 21 of July, but unfortunately, not on the 17 of July.

I think there should be a chance to track down the trail of a missile event in case of a cloudy weather, at least partially.

Publically and commercially available imaginary (google earth, DigitalGlobe, etc.) just couldn’t see anything.

They only sense some visible light, and/or near IR (a.k.a. short-wave infrared). You can view some specs there: https://www.digitalglobe.com/resources/satellite-information The clouds are completely opaque in those spectrum, so the land below clouds is completely invisible from those satellites. And the segment of the missile trail above the clouds is very volatile, there’re strong winds there.

Nothing can be seen on those images. And in the video uploaded by Netherlands’ public prosecution office, they told satellite imaginary between 16 and 21 of July is unusable, because clouds.

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Post by Const-me »

vladimir-y wrote: post #76
Const-me wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just one word: clouds. Satellites can't see through them. There’re satellite images of the launch site taken on 16 of July 2014, and on 21 of July, but unfortunately, not on the 17 of July.

Also what about thermal photos (detecting thermal emission), is it possible?

Technically, I think that might be possible.

The problem with that, no one except the US military and government knows for sure, whether they have far IR aka thermal imaging sensors on their satellites, or they don’t.

Fortunately, there’s a solid body of evidence even without that secret data.

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Post by piva00 »

mikeash wrote: post #21
lfx wrote: post #7

It is me or title looks very ambiguous? It sounds that missile was launched from Russian grounds. What a scary way to begin a morning.

To me the title sounds like they just mean the missile was made in Russia, which was obvious from the start. (Even if the Ukranians had been responsible, their missiles were still made in Russia!) What they actually mean is that the missile was transported in from Russia shortly before the shootdown, and the launcher and remaining missiles went back to Russia not long after. But yes, the wording of the title is way t…

The way I read it is that it's more than it was made in Russia, that was pretty obvious, the title implies that they were brought from the Russian stockpile rather than the Ukrainian one.

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Post by vladimir-y »

Const-me wrote: post #77
vladimir-y wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there should be a chance to track down the trail of a missile event in case of a cloudy weather, at least partially.

Publically and commercially available imaginary (google earth, DigitalGlobe, etc.) just couldn’t see anything. They only sense some visible light, and/or near IR (a.k.a. short-wave infrared). You can view some specs there: https://www.digitalglobe.com/resources/satellite-information The clouds are completely opaque in those spectrum, so the land below clouds is completely invisible from those satellites. And the segm…

I didn't mean publicly and commercially available imaginary, but military, very well focused on the specific tasks.
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