...Because I totally want to use cloud infrastructure by the company that supports Java.
Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
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Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
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None of the 'Generation 2' stuff uses Nimbula.
What is 'Generation 2' using then? Oracle VM Manager? Enterprise Manager? A handful of bash scripts for Exalogic provisioning? Puppet and Mcollective?
From last year: http://www.businessinsider.com/oracle-has-special-team-worki...
Basically, this is a new product from a new team comprised of a bunch of ex-Amazon engineers in Seattle, among others.
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes and no. AWS has bet on cloud-means-public-cloud. Azure and Oracle are betting on hybrid: they'll sell you a private cloud that sits in your own DC that can interoperate seamlessly with their public cloud. AWS is a no-brainer if you're a greenfield, but the jury's still out on brownfield.
Which also makes it more viable for government contracts. This is like looking at any other marketshare debate. Amazon/Google may win the majority of users, but MS and Oracle are going to get the ones with deep pockets. They don't need me and my piddly weekend project, or most startups. They'll make a mint off a handful of lucrative government contracts, and contracts with the defense contractors that go Oracle becau…
Deep pockets like the CIA?
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/07/the-de...
The moral of the story is: AWS is all public cloud, but if you're the CIA and give them $600MM... you can have a private cloud too!
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#74So how easy is it to leave when Oracle stop running it as a loss leader?
If your tech staff is worth anything, cheap.
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Not bad, Bryan. And some interesting history, too. Don't get me wrong, Sun was a great company, but like all companies, it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows. You've said as much yourself before. I wished to point out that there was a time that Sun wasn't as beloved, and to indicate some of the reasons that we don't talk about some of Sun's less savory actions so much on HN. If, as an ex-Sun employee, you find this ins…
Scott McNeally was great fun. Jonathan Schwartz not that much. The confusion about wether it was a hardware company or a software one drove it into the ground. Worse... Right into Oracle.
That's all certainly true. I never said that Sun died for its sins or anything. That's not what I meant at all... Sun was a pretty good company.
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Or, you know, Cyberdyne Systems - the creators of SkyNet: http://www.businessinsider.com/terminator-genisys-cyberdyne-...
If Oracle builds Skynet, taking it down will require nothing more than a poorly coded subquery and a wrong join.
Please.
The subquery is optional.
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They won't sell off your data, but they'll screw you over as much as they can: Can you spell "vendor lock-in", or "overpriced"?
If all you do is deploying to Linux VMs, it'll be very hard to lock you in. If you depend on their proprietary software, you deserve what you get.
...And I suspect that if you deploy on them, they try their damned hardest to ensure that you depend on their exclusive cloud software. And to minimize data export options as much as possible.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#78> Ellison showed off a new Oracle Dense Cloud IO bare metal cloud server offering that will provide developers with 36 CPU cores, 512GB of D-RAM, and 28.8TB of SSD storage. AWS isn't merely about the compute. EC2 is just part of a larger ecosystem of infrastructure services that has been built out by amazon over the past 10 years. If Oracle thinks they can beat that, then more power to them but I'm not quite convince…
> AWS isn't merely about the compute. Sure, but having a compelling story about compute and having a massive advantage in knowledge of how to sell to the exact kinds of enterprises that haven't already made their big transition to the cloud yet isn't a bad combination to have if you want to establish a nice firm place in cloud. from which you can expand and develop what you need to bite off other parts of the market.…
No, I think Oracle is targeting a different market because to them it is a low hanging fruit.
AWS got a lot of startups and tech savvy companies (like Netflix). If I were Oracle I would target existing customers, who generally are not the tech savvy darlings (think Procter & Gamble, health companies, food companies, banks...) who can now tell their board their on-site Oracle licences have been moved to the cloud.
It's a market Oracle is uniquely qualified to pursue because they already have the sales operation and contacts in place. Now whether they are able to execute is why we are eating the popcorn and watching. The inside sales model is the 20th century sales model after all.
Re: Oracle is gunning for AWS with new infrastructure offering
#79A lot of people have made comments on the tech. But there's another issue here: trust. How many people are going to be willing to trust Oracle with their data? They don't exactly have the best reputation, and they don't have the best track record either. And what they did to Solaris just makes it worse. Also, Larry Ellison has a history of overselling whatever Oracle's doing, so I doubt the product will be as good as…
A lot of Fortune 100 companies trust Oracle substantially more than Amazon due to Oracle being a lot more of a traditional enterprise software company while more concerns early in AWS history were around whether Amazon could navigate the usual enterprise customer's needs around compliance, federation, and security. That's been quite clearly answered now though.