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Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by madeofpalk »

ViViDboarder wrote: post #38
striking wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least on my OnePlus phone, you can double-tap the screen and drag up or down to zoom in or out, like a scroll wheel. It's better than buttons, in my humble opinion.

But not discoverable. There is no visual indicator telling you about the feature. Only trial and error.

Not every feature needs to be immediately discoverable. The default and 'main' way of zooming is the (un)pinch gesture.

Take keyboard shortcuts - they're EXTREMELY undiscoverable, but they're not required for most operations, it's more of a power-user feature.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by sverige »

gcr wrote: post #52
lukevers wrote: post #5

People always bash iTunes, but I actually use it quite often and I like it. Maybe it's just me though? The only thing that bugs me, is on iOS, when I load the music app (that's basically iTunes for iOS, right?) it shows a blank page until it can connect to the their servers to grab some data. It doesn't have a problem if I'm on wifi or a fast connection, but I'm often in places where my service is shit, and I get a w…

Heh. I have the same complaint about Spotify. I can't even play my own music on the device until it's finished failing to connect to Spotify's servers.

Better if you set it to offline in playback. But then there's the damn gapless playback, even if you don't want it. Quit premium over this.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by madeofpalk »

jsz0 wrote: post #39

I'm having a hard time understanding these tweets. Playing a song and adding songs to 'up next' are two different things. That dialog box has saved me multiple times. What's wrong with it? It only occurs when you are telling iTunes to do conflicting things that it cannot resolve by itself. It's a better outcome than clearing a playlist someone may have spent a lot of time working on. Software update and login dialogs…

> Contacting the iPhone update server dialog?

This is a modal dialog which prevents you from changing the song or pausing it. That is bad.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by flukus »

madeofpalk wrote: post #71
ViViDboarder wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But not discoverable. There is no visual indicator telling you about the feature. Only trial and error.

Not every feature needs to be immediately discoverable. The default and 'main' way of zooming is the (un)pinch gesture. Take keyboard shortcuts - they're EXTREMELY undiscoverable, but they're not required for most operations, it's more of a power-user feature.

Most programs will list the keyboard shortcut against the menu item for the same feature, that makes them discoverable.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by altitudinous »

You missed the point. iTunes is a old product holding together well.

* No doubt if iTunes was designed today it would be completely different. But as a legacy product it has to satisfy legacy users that are familiar with the UI, and legacy products (this iTunes still supports 10 year old iPods and older?!!)

* Say iTunes failed today. No doubt the writer would say it deserved it, and the product was a failure from the beginning. But I want to emphasise that iTunes has existed for several years now and has given many hours of pleasure for many millions of users. it works well and is a success.

You are naive if you think iTunes one day will work well. It won't get better. What is going to happen with it? It is obvious. You don't have to go past Microsoft with Internet Explorer. They kept that product going for years and it was a great success. However eventually the tech aged and they replaced it with a new product, Microsoft Edge. The same will happen with iTunes.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by madeofpalk »

sverige wrote: post #69
madeofpalk wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it seems like pretty much every features of iTunes is designed to force you to buy more stuff from Apple that you don't actually need. I actually highly doubt this. Apple has done a lot of work (starting in iOS 4 IIRC) to actually remove the need for iTunes. From my personal experience, and that of working at the Genius Bar, most people don't use iTunes at all. With regular backups and sync happening over iCloud, w…

Then why have it at all? The point is that if it's there taking up space, it should work well. It doesn't. Fix it or kill it.

Oh, you're right.

I still think there should be some kind of iOS device management on Mac (for backups and old-fashion-sync), but I'm not the first person to call for it to be overhauled and split out into a seperate app (iSync anyone?)

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by epistasis »

altitudinous wrote: post #75

You missed the point. iTunes is a old product holding together well. * No doubt if iTunes was designed today it would be completely different. But as a legacy product it has to satisfy legacy users that are familiar with the UI, and legacy products (this iTunes still supports 10 year old iPods and older?!!) * Say iTunes failed today. No doubt the writer would say it deserved it, and the product was a failure from the…

>But as a legacy product it has to satisfy legacy users that are familiar with the UI, and legacy products (this iTunes still supports 10 year old iPods and older?!!)

The UI changes so much with each release that I have no clue how to navigate any more, and don't care to learn because I'll have to relearn it all again in 12-24 months. There is no consistency, and legacy to uphold, except perhaps a legacy codebase.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by kayamon »

altitudinous wrote: post #75

You missed the point. iTunes is a old product holding together well. * No doubt if iTunes was designed today it would be completely different. But as a legacy product it has to satisfy legacy users that are familiar with the UI, and legacy products (this iTunes still supports 10 year old iPods and older?!!) * Say iTunes failed today. No doubt the writer would say it deserved it, and the product was a failure from the…

> You missed the point.

No he didn't.

> iTunes is a old product holding together well.

No it's not, it's a terrible product and always has been.

> You are naive if you think iTunes one day will work well.

He doesn't think that. In fact, the title of the article states the exact opposite.

> What is going to happen with it? It is obvious.

Yes, which is the whole point of the article.

Re: iTunes will never work well

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Post by kalleboo »

chiaro wrote: post #15

Wait, you can star-rating AND heart songs? Why? Why both?

The hearts affect Apple Music algorithms. The stars are legacy (I don't even think the new iOS Music app has a way to see/change them, or I just can't find it in that tire-fire of a UI)
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