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Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Post by WorldMaker »

rangibaby wrote: post #66
justrossthings wrote: post #26

We've been using maximum of 1140px col-xl width since 1920x1080 was considered the bleeding edge, but now monitors with 2560x1440 resolution are becoming more common- where 1140 barely covers half the width of the screen . Isn't about time we had a grid container that fixed this?

A page that wide doesn't sound very practical unless you want lots and lots of columns. I was taught that an average 10 words per line is best for reading.

Lots of columns can be great. Newspapers have been doing that for centuries.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Post by baby »

eloisant wrote: post #58
baby wrote: post #4

What's new? I haven't been following bootstrap 4, ( especially since I switched to http://semantic-ui.com/ ). * I see a list of themes priced at 100$ :/ (maybe that's a good thing?) * "Moved from Less to Sass". OK, that's a late addition but always welcomed. (Although there was already an unofficial sass version of bootstrap.) * "Opt-in flexbox support is here". Why would flexbox not be opt-out? * "giving you more op…

How is that a good thing (sass)? That means that instead of having a full JS build now they need Ruby too...

what's the issue with that?

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Post by fdgdasfadsf »

cloverich wrote: post #68
fdgdasfadsf wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As has been repeated many times here. Bootstrap has javascript as well as CSS.

So same question then -- previously compatible javascript breaking in newer browsers is a thing? Are there some common examples of this (e.g. not just edge cases).

This is not relevant. We are considering the interaction between our code and the library. If the library has breaking changes to its api our code will no long work with it when the library needs to be updated to the new version and our site will break until our code is changed...

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Post by cloverich »

fdgdasfadsf wrote: post #73
cloverich wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So same question then -- previously compatible javascript breaking in newer browsers is a thing? Are there some common examples of this (e.g. not just edge cases).

This is not relevant. We are considering the interaction between our code and the library. If the library has breaking changes to its api our code will no long work with it when the library needs to be updated to the new version and our site will break until our code is changed...

> We are considering the interaction between our code and the library.

Ah. The comment I replied to was not about this, but about bootstrap 3 breaking in newer browsers.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Post by rangibaby »

WorldMaker wrote: post #71
rangibaby wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A page that wide doesn't sound very practical unless you want lots and lots of columns. I was taught that an average 10 words per line is best for reading.

Lots of columns can be great. Newspapers have been doing that for centuries.

I've been trying to reconcile print design principles with screen, and the main difference is that on a screen you have unlimited vertical space. A newspaper layout doesn't really make sense - do I go to the next column, or scroll down? I think there are ways to guide the readers eye to where you want it to go with color or in other ways, but it's an interesting design problem.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Post by fdgdasfadsf »

cloverich wrote: post #74
fdgdasfadsf wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not relevant. We are considering the interaction between our code and the library. If the library has breaking changes to its api our code will no long work with it when the library needs to be updated to the new version and our site will break until our code is changed...

> We are considering the interaction between our code and the library. Ah. The comment I replied to was not about this, but about bootstrap 3 breaking in newer browsers.

Fair enough. Your question makes sense then. The trouble is without security updates there is bound to be some exploit that will go un-patched so when support for bootstrap 3 finishes we will have to upgrade to 4 whether we like it or not.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Post by WorldMaker »

rangibaby wrote: post #75
WorldMaker wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of columns can be great. Newspapers have been doing that for centuries.

I've been trying to reconcile print design principles with screen, and the main difference is that on a screen you have unlimited vertical space. A newspaper layout doesn't really make sense - do I go to the next column, or scroll down? I think there are ways to guide the readers eye to where you want it to go with color or in other ways, but it's an interesting design problem.

I admit I'm one of the few that very much liked the Windows 8 design language approach of readable columns scrolling off infinitely horizontally. I thought that was a good design path. Screens don't have to scroll vertically.

Re: Bootstrap 4 Alpha 4 Released

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Post by tmd83 »

craigvn wrote: post #47
brianwawok wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I mean it's only CSS code, it's not like it will bring you any speed improvements or something Most people who use bootstrap3 use the JavaScript also. I suspect the worry is in 2 years (or however long they are bug fixing bootstrap3), newer browsers will start to break on bootstrap3, and you will have a complex way forward. What bootstrap4 is doing is good, but it also can cause pain for users of bootstrap3.

The fear is not that but that new features of Bootstrap will not be available to legacy users without major upgrades.

This. Nots sure why this would be hard to understand. If you have a long running project you now have few choices none of which are good. Keep using Bootstrap 3 for older work and use Bootstrap 4 for newer feature and make things inconsistent. Restyle/rewrite everything or keep using Bootstrap 3 and not have any of newer feature or UI pattern everyone takes for granted.
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