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One Hundred Year Study on Artificial Intelligence: 2016 Report

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Re: One Hundred Year Study on Artificial Intelligence: 2016 Report

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"Contrary to the more fantastic predictions for AI in the popular press, the Study Panel found no cause for concern that AI is an imminent threat to humankind" -- Stanford Study Panel, comprised of seventeen experts in AI from academia, corporate laboratories and industry, and AI-savvy scholars in law, political science, policy, and economics

Understanding robotics does not mean you understand exponential growth, it's very very hard to understand even for those who believe they do. http://assets.motherjones.com/media/2013/05/LakeMichigan-Fin... 5 years ago it was thought to take decades to beat a human in Go. Just 10 years ago self driving cars was something you joked about. We consistently overestimate progress in the short run and underestimate in the l…

Have you heard of AI winter?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_winter

Too much opportunistic thinkinking caused crazy hype cycles.

Re: One Hundred Year Study on Artificial Intelligence: 2016 Report

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There is irony in trying to refute my single expert opinion with another single expert opinion (via an article). Reply to below: You're the one asserting that experts thought Go wouldn't be dominated by computers for a long time. The burden of proof lies on you. "Some experts thought it would happen by now, some didn't, there was no consensus" doesn't have quite the ring to it!

I have never said anything about experts. I have talked about general consensus which includes experts. You have provided on example, ONE of someone who believed it would happen. I have provided one expert plus articles saying it wouldn't happen, plus you can google and find plenty of articles that said we wouldn't get it for a long time. You cannot find a single example of articles which are claiming that it's was a…

Point for ThomPete on this one. I can find many more sources citing experts pegging computer go at a decade+ off, compared to those who thought we would have it by now.

However, points to argonaut for doing his best Dijkstra impersonation.

'I don't know how many of you have ever met Dijkstra, but you probably know that arrogance in computer science is measured in nano-Dijkstras.' - Alan Kay

Re: One Hundred Year Study on Artificial Intelligence: 2016 Report

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You're going to need citations for your unsubstantiated claims. I've brought forth a highly prominent expert opinion in 2007 that computer Go would be dominant by 2017. And not media reports from present-day that just repeat this meme that almost everyone believed Go wouldn't happen for decades.

Again you are missing the point. A highly prominent expert opinion but the general consensus was that it would take a long time. Ask anyone who went to AI class back then. Here is another expert "In May of 2014, Wired published a feature titled, “The Mystery of Go, the Ancient Game That Computers Still Can’t Win,” where computer scientist Rémi Coulom estimated we were a decade away from having a computer beat a profe…

The real irony is that Rémi said that in 2014. Sometime around then if not before deep learning was showing it could knock down more and more problems, it was pretty clear to anyone who was keeping up that if someone figured out how to combine deep learning with Rémi's work on monte-carlo tree search they ought to end up with a powerful go bot, perhaps even pro-beating. What took me personally by surprise was that the development (which also required a pretty large army of GPUs, though I wondered if we might see specialized hardware like deep blue) was done mostly out of the public eye, not even tests against humans on go servers, until suddenly it was announced the bot beat a 3p.

I think it may be rare that you see consensus on those sorts of "it's imminent, someone just has to do the work" problems because it requires simultaneous knowledge of multiple developments, and knowledge doesn't always disseminate as fast as it takes one group to just do the work. Now I'm remembering this related maxim: http://lesswrong.com/lw/kj/no_one_knows_what_science_doesnt_...

Re: One Hundred Year Study on Artificial Intelligence: 2016 Report

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Many CEOs are already just trying to operate as a share price optimization algorithm. They don't choose to inject human values into their organizations.

That you don't share their values does not make them non-human

That they are human doesn't mean they cannot be a threat to humankind. ;-)

Re: One Hundred Year Study on Artificial Intelligence: 2016 Report

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"Contrary to the more fantastic predictions for AI in the popular press, the Study Panel found no cause for concern that AI is an imminent threat to humankind" -- Stanford Study Panel, comprised of seventeen experts in AI from academia, corporate laboratories and industry, and AI-savvy scholars in law, political science, policy, and economics

What immediately follows is rather sobering, too: "No machines with self-sustaining long-term goals and intent have been developed, nor are they likely to be developed in the near future."

I was thinking about a scenario where some crazy billionaire would build an autonomous AI that would operate a fleet of secretive hedge funds and financial trading companies. The AI wouldn't have any need to know what these companies - staffed by real people - are actually doing. It would just try to maximize profit and it would just kill the companies that would deviate too far from the norm, and build another companies in their place. No CEO of any of the companies would ever see this "investor" in person, everything would be sent over email, and done to the billionaire's name. The billionaire would eventually die and those companies would continue to operate completely autonomously.

Re: One Hundred Year Study on Artificial Intelligence: 2016 Report

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I think the most likely route to destructive AI is a corporation with an AI CEO - possibly one that takes over from a human CEO in a boardroom coup. Corporations already have legal personhood and act in their own interests. It's going to be much easier to automate and formalise business decision making than to develop a true general intelligence with a full spectrum of human characteristics. This may sound like scien…

Many CEOs are already just trying to operate as a share price optimization algorithm. They don't choose to inject human values into their organizations.

> ...operate as a share price optimization algorithm...

That in itself is not so bad, as extremely long-timeframe constraints (say, >50 years) upon such an algorithm could conceivably be consonant with current decision-making behavior that externalizes many input costs (employee overtime, environmental damage, etc.). Running the algorithm to pay out in very short timeframes (a month to a year) due to most CEOs' anticipated short tenure is what seems to cause undesirable optimizations.

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Again you are missing the point. A highly prominent expert opinion but the general consensus was that it would take a long time. Ask anyone who went to AI class back then. Here is another expert "In May of 2014, Wired published a feature titled, “The Mystery of Go, the Ancient Game That Computers Still Can’t Win,” where computer scientist Rémi Coulom estimated we were a decade away from having a computer beat a profe…

The real irony is that Rémi said that in 2014. Sometime around then if not before deep learning was showing it could knock down more and more problems, it was pretty clear to anyone who was keeping up that if someone figured out how to combine deep learning with Rémi's work on monte-carlo tree search they ought to end up with a powerful go bot, perhaps even pro-beating. What took me personally by surprise was that th…

Google already use asics http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2016/5/19/11716818/go...

Re: One Hundred Year Study on Artificial Intelligence: 2016 Report

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Yes but it wasn't even remotely seen as possible by the masses for decades to come. It's already here now.

Cool! I wasn't aware. Where I can go buy one?

Are you aware that in Singapur, driver less cabs are already in service? And that many of the biggies have plans for autonomous cars within a few years?

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Let's take the assumption that we as humans do take precautionary steps to prevent actual Artificial Intelligence from doing harm to it's creators (us). 1. We create rules for the AI to follow, these are both morally defined, and logically defined within their codebase. 2. AI becomes irate through emotional interface, creates a clone or modifies itself quite instantaneous to our perception of time without the rules i…

1. We create rules for the AI to follow, these are both morally defined, and logically defined within their codebase. This only makes any sense as a Sci-Fi trope. And even then, only if you don't look too hard. 2. AI becomes irate through emotional interface, creates a clone or modifies itself quite instantaneous to our perception of time without the rules in place. Any "decent set of rules" would include a stricture…

> Any "decent set of rules" would include a stricture against potentially creating a dangerous AI.

Assuming there are no bad people in the world, of course...

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