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Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by elorant »

vecter wrote: post #59
elorant wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the problem with Mark lies in the fact that to many of us he hasn’t build anything substantial. Sure, from a technical point of view Facebook is spectacular. Other than that it’s a boring place adding no value whatsoever to the Internet. There’s nothing innovative about it. He’s isn’t solving any kind of problem. Compared to other giants of our industry he seems dull and irrelevant. And so does his vision.

Facebook adds "no value whatsoever"? One billion people every day would disagree with you. Facebook is the primary method that billions of people across the world use to stay in touch with family and friends. It's one of the most important pieces of my life and something I come back to almost every single day. And no, I've never worked there nor will I ever. I don't own a single share of FB stock. I'm just a user who…

Well good for you. I on the other hand never felt the need to use the place and its privacy policies annoy the heck out of me. I also don’t like the fact that it’s a walled-in garden contradicting the essence of the medium it was built upon.

Other than that, you don’t have to be working somewhere to have a positive stance about the place. We’re not cheerleaders, we’re just opinionated people. No one is accusing you for promoting Facebook’s agenda out of personal interest. So chill, all is good.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by xiaoma »

stepanhruda wrote: post #9
johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

So many times this.

What does that even mean?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by n72 »

dingaling wrote: post #64
johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

Bear in mind that this might still be Mr Zuckerberg's "Paypal Phase"; making his fortune by means of a generally-reviled yet enormously-used service to enable him to personally pivot to Great Human Projects once he casts it off. Mr Musk wasn't known for wanting to save humanity in that phase of his life.

Ooh, that 'might' is huuuuuuge.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by johansch »

dingaling wrote: post #64
johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

Bear in mind that this might still be Mr Zuckerberg's "Paypal Phase"; making his fortune by means of a generally-reviled yet enormously-used service to enable him to personally pivot to Great Human Projects once he casts it off. Mr Musk wasn't known for wanting to save humanity in that phase of his life.

Musk made $165M from Paypal.

Google tells me Zuck's current net worth is $35B.

Sure, this might be inexact, but the latter number is about 200 times larger than the first.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by perseusprime11 »

smokeyj wrote: post #30

Something about Zuck just seems inauthentic and robotic. Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece, or maybe it's the incessant corporate speak. I suspect the reality is Zuck is a strong CEO and weak innovator. Facebook is established and boring, and now all that's left is to entrench the world with proprietary Zuckernet. I strongly suspect Zuck will become the characterized depiction of the…

Steve Jobs did this really well. If you want to show authenticity, you need to show both your good and the bad side. All we see from Zuck is his good side and that's why he comes across as pretentious.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by johansch »

tajen wrote: post #15
johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

The number and mood of comments in the thread is striking too. Zuck is almost a persona non grata in our future, like traditional banks, lobbyists and a supreme court who has never once read constitution correctly.

That's because he's a rent-seeker rather than an innovator.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by wahsd »

Bring facebook to everyone and replace the internet. He said he was going to do it years ago and here we go, he's going to do it; a proprietary, walled internet in which you are only allowed to speak and think liberal authoritarian approved things. Facebook wants to know, are you thinking the right things?

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by asimuvPR »

elorant wrote: post #51
smokeyj wrote: post #30

Something about Zuck just seems inauthentic and robotic. Maybe the style of writing makes it sound like a sponsored PR piece, or maybe it's the incessant corporate speak. I suspect the reality is Zuck is a strong CEO and weak innovator. Facebook is established and boring, and now all that's left is to entrench the world with proprietary Zuckernet. I strongly suspect Zuck will become the characterized depiction of the…

I believe the problem with Mark lies in the fact that to many of us he hasn’t build anything substantial. Sure, from a technical point of view Facebook is spectacular. Other than that it’s a boring place adding no value whatsoever to the Internet. There’s nothing innovative about it. He’s isn’t solving any kind of problem. Compared to other giants of our industry he seems dull and irrelevant. And so does his vision.

Facebook sure adds value. It connects people. Friendships, marriages, partnerships, businesses, and more exist because of facebook. I am not a user but the value it provides is real. Otherwise people would not use it (Google+).

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on the next 10 years of Facebook

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Post by freyr »

dingaling wrote: post #64
johansch wrote: post #6

The contrast to Elon Musk's plan is so striking. Musk is trying to fix global climate change, avoid the 1 million+ yearly traffic deaths and secure the future of the human race in case there is a planetary-size disaster. Zuck just wants more more users, "engagement" and in the end - opportunities for monetization.

Bear in mind that this might still be Mr Zuckerberg's "Paypal Phase"; making his fortune by means of a generally-reviled yet enormously-used service to enable him to personally pivot to Great Human Projects once he casts it off. Mr Musk wasn't known for wanting to save humanity in that phase of his life.

Except his net worth far exceeds that which is required to move from PayPal phase to Great Human Projects phase. I think you're giving him way too much credit.

He wants to spread a platform across the globe that "connects" people by isolating them in front of their screens/VR goggles. That's the grand vision in a nutshell.

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