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HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by nichochar »

tghw wrote: post #63

I'm a big fan of Fog Creek (having worked there for 7 years). But I'm a little stumped on who this is for. Without any persistence (Mongo, SQL, Redis, something) this is nothing more than a toy. Right now, the forums suggest setting one up via some PAAS, which obviates the whole "it's only one step" thing. Presumably persistence is on its way, as this is just a beta. Persistence aside, it's still lightweight for an e…

My first thought was that I could finally teach my mum that code is not magic, and that is a very, very powerful concept.

It's all about diminishing the barrier to entry, and honestly I'm very impressed with this project. To me, this is a breakthrough. I think that combining this with a very minimalistic class could teach people that computers aren't magical, and anyone can try.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by triptych »

tomphoolery wrote: post #40
colevscode wrote: post #5

Cool tech, fun toy! I hope it is successful. I think Joel should focus on it's toy-like nature, and potential as a learning tool, rather than trying to build this into a production grade tool. I spent years building tools for this market between professional devs and non-developers. (Backlift.com and then Brace.io) It's really tough. Most people learning to code are trying to gain transferrable skills that can help t…

> Cool tech, fun toy! I hope it is successful. I think Joel should focus on it's toy-like nature, and potential as a learning tool, rather than trying to build this into a production grade tool. Agreed, and I think the latter part of the post (the "FAQ") indicates that Joel doesn't see this as a deployment strategy for professional developers... "Listen, this is not the future of all software development. Professiona…

I could see this as a great tool for doing coding interviews. You get instant feedback to see if it works, and you can share the results with others almost as a code resume of sorts.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by triptych »

treehau5 wrote: post #38
bcheung wrote: post #28

I really like the concept of this. Especially with node/react I found learning webpack and setting everything up takes FOREVER. Unfortunately, platforms like these always seem ridiculously overpriced when compared to a bare metal dedicated server. I'd be curious to see how it is priced.

> I found learning webpack and setting everything up takes FOREVER. That's because you are learning webpack and setting everything up. It's akin to setting out to learn java by learning maven first and downloading all your dependencies through that and then learning how to bundle your code into a war for deployment on a J2EE server. Of course that's going to take more time than just copying some jars in your classpat…

Having a "clone this site" option would be great - spin off or make copies of a read only project you want to learn from.

Ah perhaps the "remix" button serves this function.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by tedmiston »

gregshap wrote: post #41

"Looks like we're over capacity... [Get notified when we're back]" Wish the site wasn't down, but I like this as a way to handle the blow up during launch.

> [Get Notified When We're Back]

The email notification during overload is a very thoughtful feature. Awesome UX enhancement especially for a dev service.

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Post by gansai »

tghw wrote: post #63

I'm a big fan of Fog Creek (having worked there for 7 years). But I'm a little stumped on who this is for. Without any persistence (Mongo, SQL, Redis, something) this is nothing more than a toy. Right now, the forums suggest setting one up via some PAAS, which obviates the whole "it's only one step" thing. Presumably persistence is on its way, as this is just a beta. Persistence aside, it's still lightweight for an e…

the idea looks like: 'why not extend jsfiddle/splunker to a real running website ?'

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by mostafah »

I see the big potential in having an always-on development environment in the cloud. It would enable better collaboration. It also enables features not possible with in the old way, like easier deployment, ready-made persistence, moving back in time, … .

But for me the problem with them is that the text editor is not Emacs. I guess a lot of developers who are somewhat experienced have similar attachment to their editors and scripts. And it’s not just an emotional one: it directly affects productivity.

Not trying to be negative here, but this is really an issue.

Re: HyperDev – Developer Playground for Full-Stack Web Apps

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Post by chaostheory »

The biggest potential I see with this is with helping people initially learn to program. imo the biggest hurdles with programing aren't programming itself; instead it's getting the proper setup (installing x, y, and z and configuring a, b, c properly)
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