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Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by dragonwriter »

guessmyname wrote: post #12

This blog post reads to me like the Pokemon motto "Gotta Catch 'Em All". Being non-american (I'm from a South American country) it is hard for me to understand the importance giving to these things associated to racism and sexism. The United States is the only place I have seen where people invest a considerable amount of time and resources just to put people from minor groups or specific genders in pedestals just to…

I've known a number of people from various Latin American countries, and am married to one of them, and they've pretty consistently report that racism is a feature of society there, though the particular forms vary. Anti-black racism is apparently significant in many parts of Latin America, as is (though not separate in the same places) anti-indigenous racism.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by PeCaN »

djtriptych wrote: post #30
brbsix wrote: post #13

Ever since Zach Holman "left", it appears as though GitHub has been eaten away from the inside by intersectional feminism. There appear to be subversive efforts to turn tech companies into platforms for social justice. I can only imagine it must be really uncomfortable to work in this sort of environment.

Slightly less comfortable for the most-privileged people on earth; probably more comfortable for everyone else. cf. Every other American industry's initial foray into diversity.

Personally, I don't think I would be very comfortable knowing I was hired because company X has to meet diversity quotas and not solely because I was the best candidate for the job. I think it's an offense to hackers in general—I'm hired based on merit.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by siegecraft »

brbsix wrote: post #13

Ever since Zach Holman "left", it appears as though GitHub has been eaten away from the inside by intersectional feminism. There appear to be subversive efforts to turn tech companies into platforms for social justice. I can only imagine it must be really uncomfortable to work in this sort of environment.

There was an interesting write-up on this by Hintjens at http://hintjens.com/blog:111

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by jshevek »

guessmyname wrote: post #12

This blog post reads to me like the Pokemon motto "Gotta Catch 'Em All". Being non-american (I'm from a South American country) it is hard for me to understand the importance giving to these things associated to racism and sexism. The United States is the only place I have seen where people invest a considerable amount of time and resources just to put people from minor groups or specific genders in pedestals just to…

This probably plays a role: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_guilt

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by dijit »

djtriptych wrote: post #30
brbsix wrote: post #13

Ever since Zach Holman "left", it appears as though GitHub has been eaten away from the inside by intersectional feminism. There appear to be subversive efforts to turn tech companies into platforms for social justice. I can only imagine it must be really uncomfortable to work in this sort of environment.

Slightly less comfortable for the most-privileged people on earth; probably more comfortable for everyone else. cf. Every other American industry's initial foray into diversity.

Oh, it's fine that it's racist, because I as a white male have it so good?

Seems odd to me mate, there are things that being white certainly doesn't buy, it's not a ticket to middle-class.

Being cis doesn't make me any more worse at my job than being gay would, don't judge me on that merit it's bullshit.

FWIW I grew up incredibly poor and my "advantage" in IT was that people don't care about your background. If I had wanted to be a lawyer or doctor I would bet my life that I would have failed. Tech is definitely inclusive as hell by default and making it less so is rather stupid.

If there are people who are actively stopping women in tech or downplaying them then those people are at fault, I would argue as at fault as a company that wont interview me based on my skin colour or gender.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by cjbprime »

Pyxl101 wrote: post #58
cjbprime wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the percentage of black GitHubbers in management positions is far below e.g. the percentage of e.g. black people with CS degrees in the US, indicating a probable bias in their hiring, retention or promotion pipelines that they're announcing they find concerning. You're making it about individuals, not GitHub. They're comparing statistics.

> Because the percentage of black GitHubbers in management positions is far below e.g. the percentage of e.g. black people with CS degrees in the US Where's the data for this? Often people talk about these things as assumptions, but I've never seen credible data. Can you share a source? Furthermore, even the comparison that you mentioned is not accurate. It should start from a funnel like: "the number of qualified bl…

You're asking for a citation for zero being less than non-zero? :)

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by [deleted] »

jpeg_hero wrote: post #41

> At a high level, GitHub is 64% male worldwide and 64% white in the U.S. That said, the company has improved since the end of 2014, when it was 79% male and 21% female worldwide. I wonder what their male/female split is in daily active users.

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Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by jshevek »

superpatosainz wrote: post #39
superpatosainz wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mapuches you mean? Well, living in Chile, I've learnt that there's no racism here BUT: -There's classism, a lot. Both from the lower classes to the upper and vice versa. There's also a lot of anger left from the various dictatorships that ruled in the eighties. -In some countries, here included, there's also big prejudice against native cultures like the Mapuches. "They're all lazy drunkards". These problems mostly s…

To add (and replying to rco8786): I think this is not racism. Because ethnicity is not race, and almost everybody by now through mestizaje has native blood. The early colonial period might have a racist component with "sistema de castas" (Spaniard born in America = Criollo, Spaniard with Native = Mestizo, Spaniard with African slave = Mulato, so on). But now race doesn't even matter because we are all almost the same…

Americans don't use the word "racism" literally. What would that even mean, unless we all walked around with DNA testing kits? Anything involving culture, ethnicity, national origin, any kind of xenophobia can be consider 'racism'.

Re: Diversity and Inclusion at GitHub

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Post by jshevek »

pedrorijo91 wrote: post #5
twunacceptable wrote: post #2

"There are no Black/African-American GitHubbers in management positions, which is unacceptable." Why is it unacceptable? Just by virtue of the number of different kinds of people -- race, gender, etc there's no way to have 'one of each' for every position for maximum diversity. This sort of thing is so creepy because it treats people like collectible figures ("Oh yeah? Well I added a black transgendered person to our…

I kinda have the same thinking. Saying that "we have no Black/African-American (...)" seems way more racist that don't saying anything at all. People should get hired according their skills, not race/gender/etc. If a company is focused in hiring non-white males, aren't white males in disadvantage on recruitment processes?

Yes, of course github necessarily has had a racist hiring bias against white males these past two years. It is for a good cause.
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