Can you remind me again about 1984? What happened then?
I hope you're joking!
What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
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Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
#72Can you remind me again about 1984? What happened then?
I guess he is talking about the book. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four
Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was no evidence Eich was anti-gay. It was discovered he had donated to Prop 8, the California initiative which restated the status quo, that marriage is between one man and one woman, and which passed by a majority of California voters. For that political donation, he was ostracized and effectively run out of his job in Silicon Valley. San Francisco has always been one of the most liberal cities in the country,…
Do you really see no problem with telling others who they can and can't marry? I can't see myself supporting or working for a CEO that thinks it's okay to donate to Propositions that support this level of imposition on other peoples'lives. I guess the board of Firefox agreed.
Would someone who supported the Iraq war be similarly ostracised?
Guam?
Israel? Or maybe Palestine?
I have pretty strong views on privacy, maybe some tech CEOs that supported prism-like initiatives should also be ousted?
This issue is pure liberal, SJW-ist influence, no consistency behaviour exists in the rest of the political spectrum.
Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
There was no evidence Eich was anti-gay. It was discovered he had donated to Prop 8, the California initiative which restated the status quo, that marriage is between one man and one woman, and which passed by a majority of California voters. For that political donation, he was ostracized and effectively run out of his job in Silicon Valley. San Francisco has always been one of the most liberal cities in the country,…
Do you really see no problem with telling others who they can and can't marry? I can't see myself supporting or working for a CEO that thinks it's okay to donate to Propositions that support this level of imposition on other peoples'lives. I guess the board of Firefox agreed.
Would someone who supported the Iraq war be similarly ostracised?
Guam?
Israel? Or maybe Palestine?
I have pretty strong views on privacy, maybe some tech CEOs that supported prism-like initiatives should also be ousted?
This issue is pure liberal, SJW-ist influence, no consistency behaviour exists in the rest of the political spectrum.
Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
#75I'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it…
Do you have any proposed solutions to these issues? I'm asking because I can't think of any that aren't extremely liberal in character, like government putting limits on these businesses or affirmative action for conservatives, as Beck discusses in the article. Perhaps he's wrong but your complaints of being "marginalized" and against the "money and power" of big business don't sound traditionally conservative. The t…
Can't reply to all the comments here, but yours is very worthy of a reply. If I have time today, I will get to it, but very busy at work already.
On one hand, I understand why you have that perception of conservatives. We haven't done a good job of communicating our principles lately (which is why Trump won the nomination, in large part - but in fairness it's also a tough thing to do with so many institutions stacked against us: media, academia, govt administration, etc.)
On the other hand, that's not quite a conservative viewpoint, and you've also picked up on the wrong threads in the fabric of my dystopian nightmare.
In short... I wouldn't punish them for being successful. I just don't want the government helping them or working with them. The government exists to protect our rights - especially from infringement by the powerful (in business or government.)
Instead the power hungry in business and government are teaming up. Teaming up to spy on us, control us, and enriching the businesses and cementing the control of bureaucracy at the same time.
Eg. in spying and violating rights, where does the government end and business begin?
Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
#76Can you remind me again about 1984? What happened then?
Are you fing serious? What do they teach in school nowadays?
Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
#77I'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it…
Do you have any proposed solutions to these issues? I'm asking because I can't think of any that aren't extremely liberal in character, like government putting limits on these businesses or affirmative action for conservatives, as Beck discusses in the article. Perhaps he's wrong but your complaints of being "marginalized" and against the "money and power" of big business don't sound traditionally conservative. The t…
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Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
But is this a "liberal vs conservative" issue or a "big money vs the public" issue? There are plenty of other companies that throw their weight around to oppose Democrats while cutting deals with totalitarians. And other companies that donate to both sides just to make sure, such as the arms industry?
It's a freedom vs not-free issue. There will always be rich, powerful people that want more power. The power they want often comes at the expense of individual rights. The government is supposed to be there to protect us from exactly these types, but now they are increasingly working hand in hand against us.
The government is supposed to be there to protect us from exactly these types
That's not a very .. conservative? Right-ish? Libertarian? statement. This is what I meant by the party lines and labels obscuring this issue.
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
What views do you find you can't express?
He mentions Brendan Eich who was ousted from Mozilla for his anti-gay views. I have little sympathy for someone who feels marginalized by views they choose to hold and express when I, as a gay man, could be marginalized simply for who I am, something I did NOT choose. While most people may be able to just put their political opinions on the shelf, any time discussion turns towards family or after-work hobbies I have…
Did he explicitly express these views?
Re: What disturbed me about the Facebook meeting
#80I'm a Republican. Been working in or for valley companies since 1998. Engineering then business. The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized. The left in the valley has become increasingly vocal, from the c-suite down, and I've been reluctant to express my views for fear of retaliation (See Mozilla's ex-CEO.) The valley isn't a place focused on the innovation and free thinking that gave it…
>The last five years I've felt my views become increasingly marginalized From a conservative/libertarian outlook... wouldn't that be your problem to solve? Isn't the conservative position that if we just remove big government equality should work itself out?
Yes and no. I'm not asking for the gov't to solve the problem, but to the extent that gov't is the problem, I'd like to see it removed.
And I am doing things about it. Part of it is posting my concerns here, anonymously, because every little drop helps.
Our rights are vanishing (how's the 4th ammendment doing lately?) and concerned citizens have a responsibility to speak out about it.