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Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#71
How about they bugger off and not censor my content.

Power hungry censors from either the government or forums piss me off.

People who own forums have a right to regulate content, true.

But bullshit like this aint cool, I and the users are not babies, bugger off, we'll decide with votes.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#72
post #33

Tangentially, I would like Google to put a warning on navigating to a site that has served malware any time in the past month. This will increase the penalty of serving malware so much that sites will suddenly push back on the ad networks and improve quality dramatically.

Are they not doing that already (via their fraud blacklist)? thepiratebay.se was just recently blocked (yesterday?) for serving malware via an ad. Safari and Chrome use this list AFAIK. I have first-hand experience with such a situation and you quickly loose faith in the ad network you're using. A month of blocking would be devastating to the site, considering it's not even their fault. Repeat offenders could be hand…

Which media company arranged that I wonder ...

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#73
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that simple. At any one time, a publisher can be serving ads from a few exchanges, a few different private sellers, and custom built ads for brands. And these all are served in different combinations across several different ad units on multiple pages. And some of those ad sellers may be backfilling with other ad networks, or maybe the publisher is backfilling certain ads from the ad exchanges at certain CPM…

Your description doesn't show why a pharmacist selling illegal drugs is dissimilar to a website selling ad space to illegal ad-space buyers. Any time where you've got multiple producers and multiple retailers, you get middle people like those you describe that must juggle demand and supply. Pharmacists have an equally complex path from producer to customer as ads have from ad-space buyer to website visitor. However,…

> Why can the publisher get away [...] while a hospital is fully legally responsible

The word "legally" gives it away: because there are laws.

But we don't like dem laws here on teh intertubes, so far-west it is.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#74

Hmm; how about a +5 point boost instead for sites doing paywall innovation? Free content isn't the end goal. Don't we want people to make a living off content? I can't imagine anybody here wouldn't pay 1 or 5 pennies for the second half of a useful article.

AFAIK, reddit moderators aren't able to arbitrarily boost posts without the use of bots, which are obviously against reddit TOS.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#75
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this sufficient for HN but not for Reddit? If opinion is less divided on Reddit I'd also expect it to be less of a problem and thus less likely to require (auto) moderator input.

Scale. Reddit is bigger with hundreds, if not thousands, of subcultures and norms. While HN has a single stream of stories being voted on, the guidelines for story submissions limits the scope for what can be submitted. The people who read HN are pretty much all technically astute, so when they see an article behind a paywall they don't vote it up - heck, many probably just flag it on principle. If the article is cho…

> Scale. Reddit is bigger with hundreds, if not thousands, of subcultures and norms.

But the link is about /r/technology only, not reddit as a whole.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#76
post #73
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your description doesn't show why a pharmacist selling illegal drugs is dissimilar to a website selling ad space to illegal ad-space buyers. Any time where you've got multiple producers and multiple retailers, you get middle people like those you describe that must juggle demand and supply. Pharmacists have an equally complex path from producer to customer as ads have from ad-space buyer to website visitor. However,…

> Why can the publisher get away [...] while a hospital is fully legally responsible The word "legally" gives it away: because there are laws. But we don't like dem laws here on teh intertubes, so far-west it is.

There are laws agains hacking though. If I visit a website and the website willfully (i.e. it wasn't hacked) serves me malware... that sounds like hacking!

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that simple. At any one time, a publisher can be serving ads from a few exchanges, a few different private sellers, and custom built ads for brands. And these all are served in different combinations across several different ad units on multiple pages. And some of those ad sellers may be backfilling with other ad networks, or maybe the publisher is backfilling certain ads from the ad exchanges at certain CPM…

It absolutely is so black and white. If I buy a computer from you and you send me a parcel which explodes in my hands, no amount of hand-waving is going to get you out of this -- this even holds if you just distributed notes "Call this number to get your own personal computer free of charge!". And just as a computer reseller/free-computers-for-everyone-distributor has an obligation not to send bombs to people who ask…

If I sell you a computer and it has adware on it, we just call that "normal state of affairs" because OEMs have been putting adware and shit on their computers for decades.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#78
post #65

You should really post np.reddit links to prevent non-users of said reddit community from voting. It's the standard practice -- https://www.reddit.com/r/NoParticipation/wiki/intro

Since non-users would have to create an account anyway in order to vote, I'm not sure that this is an issue.

np is meant for Reddit users that are not subscribed to the subreddit. For example, when I am logged into reddit and go to https://np.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/4if65h/mod_annou... I don't see the voting arrows.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#79
post #70
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It may surprise you, but there are people here who don't mind these sites. It's already possible to flag links that you think have no place on HN. Please use that instead of trying to setup preemptive censorship.

I don't think you understand what censorship is.

I see nothing wrong in that usage of the word censorship. Please explain.

Re: “We're considering banning domains that require users to disable ad blockers”

#80
post #65

You should really post np.reddit links to prevent non-users of said reddit community from voting. It's the standard practice -- https://www.reddit.com/r/NoParticipation/wiki/intro

It's an unwritten and unofficial rule, no one has to respect that, to me it only fuels the "omg our site that relies on linking to stuff on the internet has been linked somewhere on the internet" victim complex.
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