I guess that makes Steve Jobs a hypocrite http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement
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#72Steve Jobs: > "We can sit by and watch competitors steal our patented inventions, or we can do something about it. We've decided to do something about it. We think competition is healthy, but competitors should create their own original technology, not steal ours."
Steve Jobs:
> "innovating is stealing"
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#73I'm really hating how tech discussions relating to Apple are turning in the Apple fanboys versus detractors of Apple.
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#74I love that apple drives innovation in hardware and interface design. I hate that the patent system we have now actively hinders the adoption of apple's innovations. Apple complains that competitors are stealing apple's technology, as though apple's success relies entirely on technology x or y. Not true. Apple's success is based on its polish and attention to detail, something which competitors have an incredibly har…
Apple's success is based on its polish and attention to detail If that's the case, why can't they drop OS X and iPhone and simply make clones, just clones with polish and attention to detail? You want to have your cake and eat it too: You want Apple to innovate and you want everyone else to leverage their innovation freely. I understand why that's in your best interests, I can't figure out why Apple would bother if e…
The problem with patents is they kill all kinds of innovation.
Once one company, let's say Apple, gets some patents in an area, then no one else can work in the same space. Give Apple all the copyrights they want plus trademarks and design patents, but no software and hardware patents. Even independent invention is no defense against patents - if I invent something and sell it, and I've never heard of you, but you have a prior patent, you can steal my invention and work from me.
Re: Apple Sues HTC for Patent Infringement
#75I love that apple drives innovation in hardware and interface design. I hate that the patent system we have now actively hinders the adoption of apple's innovations. Apple complains that competitors are stealing apple's technology, as though apple's success relies entirely on technology x or y. Not true. Apple's success is based on its polish and attention to detail, something which competitors have an incredibly har…
Apple's success is based on its polish and attention to detail If that's the case, why can't they drop OS X and iPhone and simply make clones, just clones with polish and attention to detail? You want to have your cake and eat it too: You want Apple to innovate and you want everyone else to leverage their innovation freely. I understand why that's in your best interests, I can't figure out why Apple would bother if e…
Good questions.
Gestures, yes.
Look and feel, yes. (Without infringing trademarks.)
Drivers, yes.
Duplicate the code, no.
If someone can follow you fast into innovation, it's not innovative! If you can't stay ahead you'll get eaten by the wolves.
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#76If this had happened a day earlier I don't think I would have posted that RFS. Apple is inching ever closer to evil, and I worry that there's no one within the company who can stand up to Jobs and tell him so.
I get your meaning, but all the same I think calling a tech company "evil" falls under Godwin's Law, at least in spirit.
If only Google had chosen "don't be a dick" instead, the world would be a less confusing place...
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think I do understand what it takes but you don't understand a rhetorical question when you see it ;-) I also think people draw the line where it suits their self interest.
Or the community interest. Is the plural of self-interest community interest? How much pain does it take to show the harmful effects of the monopoly outweigh the benefits?
I'm not suggesting that intellectual property protection is a public good. I'm disputing that companies like Apple will thrive by innovating in an environment where adopting innovation is unfettered.
It may be that if we remove all barriers to adoption that companies like Apple will die and innovation will come from artists who invent new things out of passion. I don't know, and I am not suggesting that the existence of Apple is a public good either.
I'm just skeptical that there is any incentive for Apple to do any innovation in such an environment.
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#78If this had happened a day earlier I don't think I would have posted that RFS. Apple is inching ever closer to evil, and I worry that there's no one within the company who can stand up to Jobs and tell him so.
sorry pg but I have to disagree with you.
Apple have patents, and they want to protect them. There is nothing "evil" with that.
These are all legitimate patents that Apple worked long and hard on and spent millions to develop.
If you're the CEO of a major public corporation and you owned those patents you'd do the same thing.
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#79If I were paranoid I might think that this was a bit of an attack on Google rather than HTC.
I think it's far more calculated than that: Google's shipping Android builds avoid a lot of basic UI features that Apple did first. HTC then adds most of them through their "TouchSense" modifications, just like they did with WM6 before.
They're trying to keep Google in its place, and prevent HTC from extending it. They're happy with Android being out there for the dorkwads and ideologues (it lets them shed their 'worst customers') but they don't want the public to see a sea of direct clones of their style of multitouch.
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#80Earlier quoted context omitted.
The only thing I can say in response to this is that I see that my dad uses his iPhone to surf the web much more than he uses his computer, and he's interested in a bigger screen to do so. He's in his 60s, and he's actually not buying another desktop computer (his is 11 years old) because his iPhone does what he needs, and more, plus he's tired of viruses and spyware. (Yes, we know it's not a target yet, but a closed…
Why wouldn't a netbook+ChromeOS win? I disagree @ iPhone. That was revolutionary. It was the first pocket webbrowser that actually worked well and rendered websites properly. >> "And remember, it was pretty 'meh' before the app store." Again, difference of opinion. I couldn't care less about the app store. Why would I download software approved by Apple, when I can just use the browser for most things?
If I were Apple, I'd love for ChromeOS and Android to win. If that's the "losing" position for Apple, then they're sitting pretty. By the time that would happen, Apple could just roll their own Android that can run legacy iPhone apps, and even have their own high-end, high-margin Apple walled garden there.
Who's not sitting pretty? Microsoft. They've got to connect a Hail Mary pass with WinMo 7 to survive and stay relevant. They may do it, though.