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Diabetes: can you really eat to beat it?

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Re: Diabetes: can you really eat to beat it?

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Sounds great, although it seems to me it is not so much curing Diabetes as keeping it in check?

Is there a difference? Type II diabetes is largely a lifestyle disease. It develops because of the way we eat and (don't) exercise. If you have chronic wrist problems from typing all day, I'd say that eliminating the typing is a legitimate cure. If you have diabetes because you eat too much and exercise too little, I'd say eating less and exercising more is a legitimate cure as well.

Re: Diabetes: can you really eat to beat it?

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For eight weeks, the patients drank a diet milkshake three times daily and ate some 200 grams of non-starchy vegetables, totaling about 700 calories a day.

The average weight loss among participants was about 14 kg (33 pounds). And in many of them, the diabetes disappeared. Nearly half the participants had no symptoms of diabetes for nearly six months after they went back to eating normally.

http://qz.com/669254/its-possible-to-reverse-type-2-diabetes...

Re: Diabetes: can you really eat to beat it?

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high carb diet works too. there's no junk food. there's nothing junky in a hamburger. on the other hand, it is unhealthy if you eat hamburger every day or so. http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/ here's american diabetes association recommending a normal healthy high-carb diet with low GI foods. it is also advised, funnily, that fruit consumption shouldn't be restricted.

I'd warn people not to pay too much attention to the advice that the american diabetes association provides. The targets it recommends are well known to cause damage to the body (you should be avoiding anything above a BG of 140 at any time) and it's dietary recommendations are contrary to the advice I've ever received from anyone that has had good results maintaining diabetes. Just to pick up on the two points you m…

Nutritionist is probably a pseudoscientist, because there's no such a thing as a nutritionist anywhere near science.

http://www.badscience.net/2007/02/the-truth-about-nutritioni...

You are giving us anecdotal advice and advice of an unknown authority that can be questioned.

American diabetes association provides its advice given the vast amount of evidence that high-carb diets work for lowering or eliminating the symptoms of diabetes.

Pretty easy to sift through all that beautiful evidence. The fear of sugar is unfounded. But I guess people would rather live in fear than just eat healthy.

https://scholar.google.hr/scholar?hl=en&q=high+carb+diabetes...

of course, there's evidence that low-carb also works, ketogenic too, and paleo even, and all fad diets alike. that's because they are in many ways healthier than what the diabetes patients had before but that doesn't mean they are objectively superior to diets with all various foods without no restriction.

these diets, unfortunately, very often cause orthorexic tendencies, where people become obsessed with the substances they are consuming, they demonize foods (hamburgers, french fries, sugar, etc.), they think there's something natural, organic, healthy or unhealthy, despite the "fact" all foods are healthy, and only diets can be unhealthy.

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Type 2 Diabetes can 100% be "cured" by a low fat vegan diet. Sorry you don't need a pill, you need to wake up and face the fact that you are poising yourself with your high fat diet. FAT causes diabetes (and high blood pressure and heart disease) NOT Sugar. Dietary fat clogs up your bloodstream preventing insulin from effectively doing it's job. http://www.amazon.com/Neal-Barnards-Program-Reversing-Diabet... https://…

Vegetarianism/veganism may help with diabetes, but it's probably not because of reducing fat intake. "Less fat" has been the dominant message since the late 70's, and it's coincided with the explosion in the rate of consumption of sugar, overweight people and diabetics. The epidemiology suggests you're mistaken.

From what I read plant-based diets help with diabetes only if one eliminates all oil. "Less fat" still leaves way too much fat to make a difference.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, completely ignoring the fact that most people who get Type-2 diabetes are genetically predisposed to it and it can also be caused by things like repeated bouts of pancreatitis and EPI. But no, let's shame everyone who is fat for being overindulgent. Maybe having diabetes wouldn't be stigmatized so much if so many Type-1s didn't participate in it as well. (Non-diabetic here, I have no dog in this fight.)

> Oh, completely ignoring the fact that most people who get Type-2 diabetes are genetically predisposed to it and it can also be caused by things like repeated bouts of pancreatitis and EPI. Considering MonadQueen said "* 60%* of type-2 diabetics" and " Obese Type-2s" (emphasis mine) I wonder where you got the idea that she as "completely ignoring" anything. > But no, let's shame everyone who is fat for being overind…

Dang will ban you for telling the Truth about fatties. He is fat.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

high carb diet works too. there's no junk food. there's nothing junky in a hamburger. on the other hand, it is unhealthy if you eat hamburger every day or so. http://www.diabetes.org/diabetes-basics/myths/ here's american diabetes association recommending a normal healthy high-carb diet with low GI foods. it is also advised, funnily, that fruit consumption shouldn't be restricted.

I'd warn people not to pay too much attention to the advice that the american diabetes association provides. The targets it recommends are well known to cause damage to the body (you should be avoiding anything above a BG of 140 at any time) and it's dietary recommendations are contrary to the advice I've ever received from anyone that has had good results maintaining diabetes. Just to pick up on the two points you m…

The mainstream medical community's slowness in coming to grips with the role of simple carbs in the diet has been shameful.

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I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes about a year and a half ago, at the time I had an HBA1C of 8.2 (6.0 is the top end of normal). The first thing I did when I got home was google "cure for diabetes", the newcastle diet is what came up. After 6 months of the usual medication (metformin etc.) I decided to give it a go. You can see my log, which includes medication, supplements, exercise, total calories per day and BG…

Given that Type 2 diabetes is generally believed to be caused by diet, it makes sense that diet could fix it as well. My personal hypothesis is that some people have intestinal bacteria that are really, really good at breaking down sugar very quickly. So when you eat high GI foods, your gut turns them into glucose very quickly releases them into your blood, and your body has to deal accordingly. IMO that would help e…

> Intestinal flora is something the medical community is just now beginning to research and understand.

What's interesting is that intestinal flora can take time to adjust in response to dietary changes (wish I could find some good figures on precisely how long, but the whole field of research on the subject is so new). This means that those on a seemingly unhealthy diet can initially do far worse switching over to 'unfamiliar' healthy food as their gut flora are presented with something they have little 'experience' digesting.

In my own experience, cutting out grains and milk from my diet resulted in a good few months of problems before things settled down again which seemed very counter intuitive until I read up on the significant role gut bacteria play in digestion.

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Type 2 Diabetes can 100% be "cured" by a low fat vegan diet. Sorry you don't need a pill, you need to wake up and face the fact that you are poising yourself with your high fat diet. FAT causes diabetes (and high blood pressure and heart disease) NOT Sugar. Dietary fat clogs up your bloodstream preventing insulin from effectively doing it's job. http://www.amazon.com/Neal-Barnards-Program-Reversing-Diabet... https://…

The current science does not support this position. The current science basically says there is an interplay between fats and carbs, and that fat tends to clog your arteries when consumed in the presence of a caloric surplus, usually brought on via carbs. Low fat diets seem to work provided they are high in fiber, and high fat diets seem to work provided they are low in carbs. High fat, high carb seems to be where we…

Could you recommend some useful links about this? In particular it is interesting to know if there is some range with fat/carbo ratio when the result is particularly bad.

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Michael Mosley's documentary, ”Eat, Fast and Live Longer” (about the health benefits of calorie restriction) is also interesting in the context of this article: https://vimeo.com/103656060 the plank (an exercise to help lose excess fat round the stomach) This is incorrect. The plank is an excellent exercise for building core strength (much better than situps), but it does not help lose excess fat around the stomach m…

the plank (an exercise to help lose excess fat round the stomach) Cringe. Hard to take the writer seriously after this statement. The rest of the article seemed fine so I googled around to see if there was some stunning new research showing the plank (or any specific movement) spot-reducing fat. Nope.

To be honest spot reduction is one of those stubborn myths that persists much like people believing that fat is the boogey man.

Nutrition and fitness seem to be areas which really lack good, hard science behind the many assumptions we make about them.

Re: Diabetes: can you really eat to beat it?

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There is an Indian Facebook group about Paleo diet, where dozens if not hundreds of people followed simple LCHF diet and reversed their type 2 diabetics and got type 1 under control among other improvements. Few physicians also got cured and they started advocating the diet. These doctors are working towards getting Indian Diabetes Association to recognize LCHF diet as a viable remedy.

You can see many medical reports posted by the members for your reference. https://www.facebook.com/groups/tamilhealth/

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