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Apple admits use of child labour in China

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Re: Apple admits use of child labour in China

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"Apple could easily run the factory itself. If this meant a loss in profit then we must ask ourselves why it would mean a loss in profit. It would mean a loss in profit because Apple itself would never run a factory that was unsafe or exploited the workers. And this is the reason Apple and other Western companies share in the blame." This is a fallacious and ignorant argument. To understand why, stop and consider why…

It's not an ignorant argument. Of course Apple isn't going to own or control every piece of the puzzle for getting its products here. But there is a reason their factories are in China and not in a country that has, you know, actual labor standards. Steve Jobs needs more money and people like you need cheaper products. I'm sorry. They don't own the factory so they are absolved of guilt and people like you can shop wi…

The reason Apple uses Chinese suppliers is because the Chinese are the only ones who can do the supplying. There is no other place to get a computer made. Apple could start a factory in the USA, but it would take 10 years to spin it up. Chinese labor would need to be imported because nobody in the USA has the right expertise.

The factories in the article are not Apple's. They are Chinese factories owned by Chinese companies run by Chinese people. This isn't old school imperialism. This is new school global trade. Apple already leans on the Chinese to clean up their labor practices, which is arguably more imperialistic behavior than doing business with them.

Re: Apple admits use of child labour in China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apple could easily run the factory itself. If this meant a loss in profit then we must ask ourselves why it would mean a loss in profit. It would mean a loss in profit because Apple itself would never run a factory that was unsafe or exploited the workers. And this is the reason Apple and other Western companies share in the blame." This is a fallacious and ignorant argument. To understand why, stop and consider why…

These standard imperial justifications you and others give are part of the reasons why we are looked upon negatively by the developing world. We have exploited on a massive scale and very few Americans/Europeans care. We are a hug part of the problem and out collective morality is so poor that we actually buy the argument, 'We don't actually do the exploitation, we pay someone else to do it for us.' This is a shitty…

I won't buy a Lenovo laptop if you won't. After we run the Chinese out of business I'm sure they'll thank us for not exploiting them anymore.

Re: Apple admits use of child labour in China

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The US and the rest of the west experienced unprecedented per capita BNP growth since around the time western countries banned child labour. This is the reason for increased living standards. It would not have mattered much in the long run who prevailed because rich (by the standards of 1850 we pretty much all are) parents don't let their children work full time in factories.

But it would have mattered to the children who would have worked in the coal mines had they not been prevented from doing so by the government. In the long run you are correct but we should not let this be the reason for inaction.

I think you may be assuming that either A) the children were forced to work or B) the children (and their parents) just did not know what was good for them. Both seem unlikely to me.
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