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Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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That's not a tenet of Calvinism.

sure, but ascribing some sort of otherwordly virtue to people by virtue of their material success is. inverted Calvinism perhaps. Regardless, still taps into the weird part of the US psyche that has a Protestant work ethic that believes that everything is possible for everyone if they just work hard enough filtered through a sort of divine blessing (only this case it is dressed up in a New Age "tapping into the power…

Inverted Calvinism isn't really Calvinism though, is it?

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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It is for some people, and it isn't for others, which is why this kind of generic advice is amazing if it fits you exactly, and awful if it doesn't. I can function on six hours, but not well. I also can't easily take 15 minutes to meditate in the morning, because I have a two month old baby I have to help care for in the mornings. This somewhat limits my ability to meditate and exercise.

I don't really understand how your baby makes it difficult to take 15 minutes to meditate, because I would imagine you were sleeping in increments longer than 15 minutes. So why is this? Is the baby waking up when you wake up?

My first couple months having a son are a blur, and it's difficult to overstate just how disruptive having a young infant is to every aspect of your life. Imagine a fire alarm going off every 1-3 hours, 24/7, for a period of several months. It wakes you up every time, but since you share duty with your significant other, you only have to get up every second time to turn it off (which will require you to be semi-awake for at least half an hour, because mumble mumble fire alarm analogy breaking down).

Waking up 15 minutes early to meditate (let alone do the exercise, etc) is perhaps possible, but since you're so far below a baseline of sleep quality and duration, you're far better off with the extra 15 minutes.

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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sure, but ascribing some sort of otherwordly virtue to people by virtue of their material success is. inverted Calvinism perhaps. Regardless, still taps into the weird part of the US psyche that has a Protestant work ethic that believes that everything is possible for everyone if they just work hard enough filtered through a sort of divine blessing (only this case it is dressed up in a New Age "tapping into the power…

Inverted Calvinism isn't really Calvinism though, is it?

all goes back to the divine right of kings for me...

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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The evangelical Christian concept of "abundant life" is already an attempt to monetize the religious imperative of tithing. It's the "prosperity gospel": give us money and God will make you rich. I say this as an evangelical Christian myself.

I really object to calling all evangelical Christians supporters of the so-called prosperity gospel. Whilst there are a lot of adherents, many, many evangelical Christians consider it to be an aberration and an utter misreading of scripture.

To clarify: I agree with you and count myself among those who consider it a butchering[1] of scripture.

[1] http://babylonbee.com/news/joel-osteen-ordered-acquire-butch...

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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It is for some people, and it isn't for others, which is why this kind of generic advice is amazing if it fits you exactly, and awful if it doesn't. I can function on six hours, but not well. I also can't easily take 15 minutes to meditate in the morning, because I have a two month old baby I have to help care for in the mornings. This somewhat limits my ability to meditate and exercise.

I don't really understand how your baby makes it difficult to take 15 minutes to meditate, because I would imagine you were sleeping in increments longer than 15 minutes. So why is this? Is the baby waking up when you wake up?

A newborn eats every 2-3 hours -- doesn't have a stomach large enough to eat less frequently than this and is used to getting its nutrition continuously.

That's measured from start-to-start of sequential feedings, not end-to-start. Baby might be slow to eat, especially if breastfeeding -- baby is learning how and gaining strength to suck, mother's milk is coming it but may not be quite there yet -- so feeding could easily be 45 mins. If mother is really having trouble with milk she may use a pump afterward to try to get her milk to come in better, and baby may be supplemented via bottle, another 15 mins if you can overlap these things. We're down to an hour left to hit that two hour window, in which to get baby back asleep, maybe have to burp baby, maybe change diaper, maybe wash bottles.

It's very possible to have 0 minutes of downtime between feedings for multiple feedings in a row and it is relentless. I fell asleep standing up multiple times, not only did I not have time to meditate, I can't imagine I could have done it without falling asleep.

I hear some newborns are easier, so maybe you actually get 1-2 hours at a time, but that still must be brutal. Having a low total amount of sleep is one thing but never getting longer stints adds a whole other dimension to the problem.

That's all newborn stuff of course, it should get easier by two months. But that's what the parent of a two month old may be emerging from and is a starting point you might wish to consider if you seek to understand what some parents go through.

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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post #74

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I really object to calling all evangelical Christians supporters of the so-called prosperity gospel. Whilst there are a lot of adherents, many, many evangelical Christians consider it to be an aberration and an utter misreading of scripture.

To clarify: I agree with you and count myself among those who consider it a butchering[1] of scripture. [1] http://babylonbee.com/news/joel-osteen-ordered-acquire-butch...

Oh. Sorry then, it's just you called it an "evangelical concept" so I was a bit confused...

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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Inverted Calvinism isn't really Calvinism though, is it?

all goes back to the divine right of kings for me...

I guess you could call me a Calvinist, but I find Calvin's treatment of Severetus (burning him at the stake) appalling. I just think that he got a lot of what I believe about Scripture correct - the whole TULIP summarization of his theology I largely agree with.

I just don't think that properity was ever part of his beliefs - if anything Calvin has been accused of being a gruel eating killjoy...

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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The religious version in fact seems more restrained in its promises, with the "arrested" bit at the end. (Not unexpectedly BTW; IMO comparing any such pitch to a religion is usually a compliment to the pitch, as religions of today evolved over many centuries and so are better debugged than many an age-of-reason attempt at scientific-sounding wisdom. And personally I'm deeply not religious, but still.) I did read that…

I suspect many religions also suffer heavily from legacy issues. Maybe a rewrite would help, debugged or not.

The original technical debt.

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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The religious version in fact seems more restrained in its promises, with the "arrested" bit at the end. (Not unexpectedly BTW; IMO comparing any such pitch to a religion is usually a compliment to the pitch, as religions of today evolved over many centuries and so are better debugged than many an age-of-reason attempt at scientific-sounding wisdom. And personally I'm deeply not religious, but still.) I did read that…

I suspect many religions also suffer heavily from legacy issues. Maybe a rewrite would help, debugged or not.

Christianity in particular seems to suffer from the Lava Layer pattern[1]

[1] http://mikehadlow.blogspot.com/2014/12/the-lava-layer-anti-p...

Re: The Advantage of Abundant Thinking

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What if you use that power to help other beings, though?

Using your power, whatever it may be, to help others is one thing. Deliberately, actively, perhaps even desperately seeking more power to help more people is another. The first is a form of compassion. The other is a form of pride. Why do these others need your help? Have they asked for it? Are you seeking that power to help or because you like power? Lots of questions that muddy the water there. There are certain th…

Eh, I think there's a bit more to that dichotomous statement than you think. In the context of the end result, the motivation doesn't necessarily matter, just so long as the end result is good and is also done without Feel Good approaches. Mind you, I'm not talking about the end goal, just the results. I spend a lot of time trying to help others and it's definitely an almost equal mixture of pride and compassion, so what you're saying sounds pretty redonk.
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