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Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by V-2 »

Aoyagi wrote: post #65
V-2 wrote: post #63

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Yeah, they really stripped it down... at least it put an end to all the fanboy gangs who used to jump into any browser-related discussion, trying to convince everyone how Opera invented everything including tabs (it didn't invent tabs), and how other browsers are nothing but knock-offs that don't even have a torrent client built-in ; ) (No offense to Opera supporters - I used it on PC for a while and it worked very w…

Well they were the first ones to implement it natively, by default and made it an integral part of their browser, and were successful with it. Of course they didn't invent it though. They didn't "invent" things like Dragonfly, Unite features, Turbo, etc., but I strongly believe the implementation is bloody good :P But I don't count among those who call other browsers rubbish because they don't have some features. Per…

They were early adopters of tabbed browsing, I do give them that, but the first browser to have it was NetCaptor.

The whole idea of a browser as a swiss-knife internet suite (with an email client, torrent client, web server etc. all built-in) which was hailed as Opera's main strength back in the day, proved to be an evolutionary dead end - noone really followed that path, Mozilla had an enormous following, especially among geeks/superusers, and yet its SeaMonkey never gained traction, that does tell you something

I feel Opera hurted themselves by believing that this was what made their browser attractive. Probably overestimated that factor. As a user, I cared much more about whether eg. "Look into" on Amazon worked correctly (Opera - a few years ago when I used it - was the only major browser where it didn't).

Yes internet browsing still owes Opera much credit, they popularized a great many useful solutions such as mouse gestures, the product was very solid and ergonomical, I'm not questioning that. Plus it performed well on older PCs and slower bandwidths, which probably explains why it enjoyed tremendous popularity in Central and Eastern Europe (where I'm from)

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by [deleted] »

piyush_soni wrote: post #68
rplnt wrote: post #53

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Firefox itself isn't. But configuring the UI and getting some functionality in is. (Some) extensions are huge bundles of functionality, affecting things all over the place. It's not a fault of firefox, but firefox caused it by not having very basic functionality built in (namely tab ordering, cycling, ...). Then there are frustrating things like how do I move the reload/stop button to the left? Why do have quite powe…

Yeah, IIRC, you used to be able to move the Reload/stop button. They stopped supporting it for some reason. I use add-ons for other tab related things that affect me.

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Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by V-2 »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #66
rplnt wrote: post #58

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I follow them as well (mostly by idling on irc and posting major releases to reddit; I don't contribute). It's a nice project. Though I don't particularly agree with their priorities (i.e. recreating complete Opera 12.x). For me Opera wasn't great because it had bundled irc/torrent/mail clients. I couldn't care less about those. It was great because it was stable, fast, small, memory efficient. No other browser was e…

Well, I didn't care much for torrent and email in Opera 12, but they didn't bother me either, as they didn't seem to spend any resources when they were not used. Even with torrent, email and IRC, Opera was still the fastest and most lightweight browser around by a mile. The thing with Opera features is that each user had their own pet features. In fact, when Opera released the new Chrome-based versions, removing lots…

> Well, I didn't care much for torrent and email in Opera 12, but they didn't bother me either, as they didn't seem to spend any resources when they were not used.

That's true, but they surely spent their resources on developing these extensions. In hindsight, this wasn't such a good bet. Case in point: noone else did that, and this approach is rather outdated now.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by fwn »

tokenizerrr wrote: post #69
Aoyagi wrote: post #7

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I'm yet to understand all the attention smartphones get. Perhaps there are users out there to whom it is appealing, but personally I don't see the need for the features they bring out like address books and instant messaging in the phone or taking photos. These are things I can already do using standalone applications or other devices. I would rather a phone be simple and most importantly reliable and fast.

That analogy makes no sense. "standalone applications" running on what? a non-smart phone? that would make the phone smart.

I think the humorous type of "standalone application" in this analogy would be a physical camera, a physical address book etc.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by FX61 »

Why should i use Vivaldi when i also can use Firefox and Classic Theme restorer?

Let's see... Vivaldi is Open Source Chromium with a bundled closed source app (Want to see that is true? Open Vivaldi task manager, kill the webview Vivaldi process, and UI disappears, but browser keeps running) to create the UI which is thanks to how it is created highly exploitable.

No thanks, go away!

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by oneeyedpigeon »

ponyous wrote: post #64
oneeyedpigeon wrote: post #60

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> Tab group tiling - I can have 2 websites open side by side in 1 browser Window I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things? Mini-windows? Pages? Panes? Anyway, we also have tiling window managers, OSX's very limited equivalent, full-screen modes that are very slightly different…

This is why you pick and use one browser. I like the difference and choice to pick whichever functionality (browser) I want. > I feel like window-management is pretty much broken at this point. I can now have multiple windows, containing multiple tabs, containing multiple ... what would you call those things? Are you saying that we should do all "window" management on OS level? I want to maximise screen estate, havin…

I totally take your point (yes, the 2nd image is 'better' for the most part), and it's one I considered when I wrote my comment. I think it's interesting to compare it with OSX and its global menubar.

I'd like to see a windowing system that totally revamps how we think about screens, apps, windows, tabs; menus, toolbars, etc. When should a menu be linked to an app and when should it be linked to a tab? How can we meaningfully manage all these things together? Do we really need a 5th level in this hierarchy? Is it really a hierarchy, or should an 'app' be able to overlap more than one screen? Does it ever make sense for a tab (image a 'naked' pane displaying an image) to be available to more than one app? etc.

I feel like, yes, we need to solve these issues at a higher-than-app level, because every app doing its own thing will just be incredibly confusing.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by konart »

To those who a curious about "why?" = this is from some of the guys who worked making Opera and for those (but not only for) who liked it more than other browsers.

Not only opera had a very nice engine of its own (not anymore in Vivaldi, though), but also great functionality and ways for customization

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by veidr »

Etheryte wrote: post #4

I'm yet to understand the hype. Perhaps there are users out there to whom it is appealing, but personally I don't see the need for the features they bring out like notes in the browser or stacking tabs next to one another. These are things I can already do using standalone applications or a window manager. I would rather a browser be simple and most importantly stable and fast.

I personally think vertical tabs rule, and I remember them fondly from OmniWeb, but it's not something I would switch my main browser for.

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by rasz_pl »

Etheryte wrote: post #4

I'm yet to understand the hype. Perhaps there are users out there to whom it is appealing, but personally I don't see the need for the features they bring out like notes in the browser or stacking tabs next to one another. These are things I can already do using standalone applications or a window manager. I would rather a browser be simple and most importantly stable and fast.

The hype train was driven by old Opera enthusiast who long for full UI customizability and full _per domain_ configurability. Sadly Vivaldi delivers none of those, you cant even change mouse gestures :(

Re: Vivaldi Browser 1.0

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Post by FreeFull »

V-2 wrote: post #59
mateuszf wrote: post #57

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Vertical tabs - lot of users want it, but chrome devs close the feature requests.

Ah, ok. They are however available in Firefox as an extension, aren't they? Or at least that used to be the case

Yes, they are available with the Tree Style Tabs extension
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