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Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by virtuallynathan »

kyledrake wrote: post #70

I see a lot of these sort of articles, and I really have to bring this up, because I don't understand why people don't realize it when they decide where to host their infrastructure: Bandwidth on GCP (and AWS and most of the other providers) is really, really, really expensive. $0.12 per gigabyte, upwards of $0.19 per gigabyte for Asia. Paying $0.12 for every time you send an Ubuntu ISO is crazy. A bored script kiddi…

To put those numbers into standard transit pricing using US-East (AWS):

Up to 10 TB / month - $30/Mbps

Next 350 TB / month - $16.50/Mbps

Traffic within the same Region - $3.50/Mbps

Traffic to another region - $6.50/Mbps

The outbound traffic starts at $45/Mbps in AsiaPac and $85/Mbps in Latin America.

In the US and most of the EU, at >1Gbps (~350TB/mo) volume, transit pricing is well under $1/Mbps. Most of Asia should be under $10/Mbps, and south america is quite a bit higher, but not $70/Mbps.

See: https://www.telegeography.com/press/press-releases/2015/09/0...

http://blog.telegeography.com/bandwidth-and-ip-pricing-trend...

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by schmichael »

kyledrake wrote: post #70

I see a lot of these sort of articles, and I really have to bring this up, because I don't understand why people don't realize it when they decide where to host their infrastructure: Bandwidth on GCP (and AWS and most of the other providers) is really, really, really expensive. $0.12 per gigabyte, upwards of $0.19 per gigabyte for Asia. Paying $0.12 for every time you send an Ubuntu ISO is crazy. A bored script kiddi…

Edit: I can't read or delete this post. Ignore me.

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by kyledrake »

schmichael wrote: post #72
kyledrake wrote: post #70

I see a lot of these sort of articles, and I really have to bring this up, because I don't understand why people don't realize it when they decide where to host their infrastructure: Bandwidth on GCP (and AWS and most of the other providers) is really, really, really expensive. $0.12 per gigabyte, upwards of $0.19 per gigabyte for Asia. Paying $0.12 for every time you send an Ubuntu ISO is crazy. A bored script kiddi…

Edit: I can't read or delete this post. Ignore me.

http://i.imgur.com/RWRJ27u.png

I see GB not TB?

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by pbreit »

StreamBright wrote: post #23

I am not sure about the technical merit of this link. Best of show: "Google probably has the best networking technology on the planet." How do we quantify this? "This is important for several reasons. On EC2, if a node has a hardware problem, it will likely mean that you'll need to restart your virtual machine." I would much rather create a service that can tolerate single node outages than relying on "live migration…

Author provided a lot of information. I wouldn't call it a "hand wavy" article at all.

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by Eugr »

They forgot to mention another nice feature of GCE - custom machine types. You can choose number of vCPUs and amount of memory and also the amount of local (ephemeral in AWS speak) storage in 375GB increments.

This is a huge advantage. For instance, some of our jobs are computationally-intensive but relatively light on memory. In GCE I can run 32 core machine with 28GB RAM and it will cost me $887.68/month (without any sustained use discounts).

In AWS, the closest option I have is c4.8xlarge (36 cores / 60 GB RAM) which will cost $1,226.10/mo.

And if I need local (ephemeral) storage in AWS, I'm severely limited in instance types I can choose from, while in GCE you can attach local SSD to any instance type, including custom.

If you factor in per-minute billing in GCE and automatic sustained use discounts, we are talking about serious savings without any advance planning (required for using reserved instances).

EC2 still has some advantages - it supports GPU-equipped instances, for example, but for our computational pipelines GCE is a clear winner for now (and Cloud Dataproc is so much nicer than EMR!).

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by AdamN »

defen wrote: post #66
obulpathi wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't use GUI to manage our resources. We use CloudFormation for AWS and Deployment Manager for Google. Let me tell you a couple of things about those services. In AWS some resources are zonal, some regional and some are global. It's a mess to work with. For example, same AMI image has different ids in different regions. You need to create maps and stuff to make your code work across regions. Come to Google Cloud,…

For me, GCP comes with unquantifiable existence risk. As in, how do I know that it won't get shut down in 5 years when some VP sees that it's not bringing in as much money as it should? I trust Amazon more in this regard, and their offering is not "so bad" that I feel a need to switch.

Existence risk here is HUGE. If GCP doesn't move the needle, Google will shut it down. AWS is a much more living organism and I can't see Amazon shutting it down before their drones take over ...

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by _delirium »

brianwawok wrote: post #39
partiallypro wrote: post #8

"Azure was eliminated since its a Linux-second cloud" I have a feeling this person never really dove into Azure, and just wrote it off because it had Microsoft services built in; and of course various sysadmins still have a strong bias against Microsoft, especially if they are Open Source advocates. Seems like the entire article is mostly just comparing AWS to GCP instead of giving an actual overview of the cloud lan…

Honest question. If you are a 100% linux shop, what do you gain with Azure? Do they have better linux chops than GCE or AWS?

I'm not sure, but that's why I would want to read a comparison to find out! For example, if their Linux VMs had a price/performance advantage in some category (networking, CPU, whatever), that would be interesting information to know. Or if the tools were better/worse.

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by StreamBright »

obulpathi wrote: post #69
StreamBright wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I used to work for Amazon, does not own any AMZN anymore 1. AWS does explicitly tells you up front that smaller instance sizes come with smaller network throughput. This is well known and well communicated even when you browse the instance offerings. Doing 7x better for a 4 core instance is hardly relevant (depending on the actual CPU type though), being able to saturate your pipe would probably consume m…

1. For micro-instance and 32 core instance, the difference AWS and Google is not a big deal. For rest of the instances, Google Cloud is 4 - 7 times faster. That's not a "synthetic" benchmark. 2. Yes, everyone should automate Ops, but if the Cloud provider takes away some of the pain, its a win.

1, I am not arguing with that, I arguing it is not relevant for most of the use cases, you get the conclusion based on a synthetic benchmark. Real life example: running a service for rendering HTML, you use most of your CPU time for the actual rendering and some for the communication, you are not network bound even on a 4-7 times slower network. Again, you might find a use case that use very little CPU and all of the network IO. In that case it is relevant that GPC is 4-7 faster.

2. Sure and this is hardly relevant to me because I automate most of my work. For small customers with less automation it is more relevant as I pointed out.

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by StreamBright »

mikecb wrote: post #44
StreamBright wrote: post #23

I am not sure about the technical merit of this link. Best of show: "Google probably has the best networking technology on the planet." How do we quantify this? "This is important for several reasons. On EC2, if a node has a hardware problem, it will likely mean that you'll need to restart your virtual machine." I would much rather create a service that can tolerate single node outages than relying on "live migration…

If you're interested in datacenter networking, can't miss ONS. Amin Vahdat, the guy in charge of networking at Google, has keynoted the past two years, with hardware in 2015[1] and software in 2014[2]. Mark Russinovich also spoke about Azure's SDN, but it doesn't come close to Amin's presentation. Every once in a while you'll hear some random spec from one of these companies, and it's always pretty surprising, but Am…

Thanks for the links! This is a pretty interesting topic and I am going to watch these videos.

Re: What's the Best Cloud? Probably GCP

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Post by kyledrake »

virtuallynathan wrote: post #71
kyledrake wrote: post #70

I see a lot of these sort of articles, and I really have to bring this up, because I don't understand why people don't realize it when they decide where to host their infrastructure: Bandwidth on GCP (and AWS and most of the other providers) is really, really, really expensive. $0.12 per gigabyte, upwards of $0.19 per gigabyte for Asia. Paying $0.12 for every time you send an Ubuntu ISO is crazy. A bored script kiddi…

To put those numbers into standard transit pricing using US-East (AWS): Up to 10 TB / month - $30/Mbps Next 350 TB / month - $16.50/Mbps Traffic within the same Region - $3.50/Mbps Traffic to another region - $6.50/Mbps The outbound traffic starts at $45/Mbps in AsiaPac and $85/Mbps in Latin America. In the US and most of the EU, at >1Gbps (~350TB/mo) volume, transit pricing is well under $1/Mbps. Most of Asia should…

$1/Mbps seems closer to what I would expect the price to be. 30x over market is an astonishing price markup. I don't understand how any startup I've built that used a lot of bandwidth could take that risk on infrastructure. I would actually be concerned about being successful.
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