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Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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Okay, I can definitely agree that this issue shouldn't be tackled by him -- there's too much emotion linked to diet and people seem to think their behavioural changes consisting of recycling and saving water are enough. But he, as the richest man in the world, could just say that he's on a plant based diet (he's currently not). I believe a lot of people would quit the luxurious flesh eating habits if someone as Bill…

>> stating also that there are enormous health benefits to eating meat - being surely wrong. No, Bill knows what he's talking about. Animal-based foods are the most nutritious foods for humans. Beef liver, for example, is one of the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat, outclassing vegetables in every way save fibre content. Animal consumption is an evolutionarily and culturally significant behaviour. Arguments abou…

How much food does a cow need to filter to get that nutrient-dense liver?

My estimate is that it's probably equivalent to several families dining on protein rich, nutrient rich grains throughout the whole year.

Your arguments that appeal to tradition, history, and culture, cannot be considered rational arguments. They also aren't derived from morals (product of rationalism). They are empty.

I wonder how did the Chinese solve their food crisis, I guess it was raising billions of cattle to feed their hungry people beef liver?

It's a luxurious food, not necessary, and given Bill's arguments - he obviously is missing the point. Given the recent WHO report and thousands of papers, including the discovery of mechanistic-molecular processes, causal link to meat consumption and heart disease (LDL cholesterol), they are just papers away from finding the causal link between cancer and meat consumption (sugars found in animal flesh alone). Given the huge amount of evidence it is not rational to call it a healthy food.

Freedom of Information Act documents reveal that the U.S. Department of Agriculture warned the egg industry that saying eggs are nutritious or safe may violate rules against false and misleading advertising.

Same will happen with dairy and milk, for dairy there are also hundreds of papers linking consumption with iron and calcium deficiency.

Claiming that meat, dairy and eggs is good food for developing nations is irrational, incorrect and contrary to the majority of evidence available.

Linking cigarettes with lung disease was done decades before they decided to make laws to ban the marketing. Thousands of papers were written, and everyone was denying it, because cigarettes were the cultural thing of the first-world countries. Call to tradition isn't a rational argument.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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On nuclear safety, consider that France runs on something like 80% nuclear power. Hardly anyone knows this, because French nuclear plants are run well, and haven't had any disasters.

A few years ago you could have said the same about japan.

I can't remember where I read it, but Japan apparently has a history of playing fast and loose with nuclear stuff. Their safety record prior to Fukushima was far from spotless.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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> A cheap, clean source of energy would change everything. Like nuclear fission? Or how about solar? Anyhow, while I think the intentions are good, my experience in 3rd world countries has me convinced that all the charity in the world won't help. In general, the problem in 3rd world countries isn't education, or sanitation, or lack of capital, or mosquito nets, etc... The problem is corruption and safety. I've seen…

Nuclear Fission? Safe? As long as for-profit companies are running the reactors, they’ll end up saving everywhere, and, like we’ve seen before and before, it ends up in meltdowns (for example, due to refusing to maintain the emergency generators properly, see fukushima). Any way you try to handle this issue, someone will abuse it. Make it a governmentally funded operation, people will end up corrupt and use money for…

Do you think other forms of energy are immune to this?

Yet, in the actual world Nuclear power kills so many fewer people than any other kind of power - solar included - that's it's not even in the same ballpark.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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> A cheap, clean source of energy would change everything. Like nuclear fission? Or how about solar? Anyhow, while I think the intentions are good, my experience in 3rd world countries has me convinced that all the charity in the world won't help. In general, the problem in 3rd world countries isn't education, or sanitation, or lack of capital, or mosquito nets, etc... The problem is corruption and safety. I've seen…

I never liked the word corruption because it lends itself to too many interpretations. I see the problem as tribalism. In most third world coutries, the poitical set up is a couple tribes that share power, control industry, and insulate themselves from the problems of the rest of their country. Everyone else not part of the tribe has to fend for themselves. A tribe is more than a collection of people/families, it is an institution that can impose social mores on its own kind.

What foreign aid does is insulate these tribal systems against change. It often supports repression, but also does provide needed medicine or food to people you would otherwise die. That, to me, is the problem.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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>> stating also that there are enormous health benefits to eating meat - being surely wrong. No, Bill knows what he's talking about. Animal-based foods are the most nutritious foods for humans. Beef liver, for example, is one of the most nutrient-dense foods you can eat, outclassing vegetables in every way save fibre content. Animal consumption is an evolutionarily and culturally significant behaviour. Arguments abou…

How much food does a cow need to filter to get that nutrient-dense liver? My estimate is that it's probably equivalent to several families dining on protein rich, nutrient rich grains throughout the whole year. Your arguments that appeal to tradition, history, and culture, cannot be considered rational arguments. They also aren't derived from morals (product of rationalism). They are empty. I wonder how did the Chine…

> How much food does a cow need to filter to get that nutrient-dense liver?

Cows eat food humans can't. That's the entire point of having them!

In some places they feed them other things, but it doesn't have to be that way.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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Paul Graham would disagree with you on that definition of Poverty. In his world poor people can wake up one fine day and start a business. Aaron : What drove the decision to go start a business? Paul : Poverty. Aaron : Poverty. Paul : I was tired of being poor. I was working as a freelance programmer, and it was this sort of boom/bust thing where I would get money and then I would run out of money, and then it would…

When an engine idles, it is burning fuel & venting exhaust without creating any force. It is consuming itself & providing no value. What is worse is that it's polluting while it's doing nothing. Idle thought is when a human spends time thinking to no end purpose. This thread is about Bill & Melinda Gates' opinions on how to fix things. You're here speculating on Paul Graham's opinions & then slamming your carefully c…

gp quoted a definition of poverty from the article. I am contrasting it with how it differs from how (some?) rich and powerful people like PG have a different definition of poverty.

Its neither a strawman nor an unsubstantiated tangent.

I don't care about your free advice about my personal values.. You should examine your own narcissistic Holier-than-thou messiah complex that makes you think that you go around giving random strangers advice about "personal values". You are nobody to me to give me advice, isn't that just common sense? Has nobody mentioned it to you ever?

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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Thats not what I think of when I think of poverty. Paul got tired of being broke. When you're tired of being broke, but you're educated, young, healthy, and/or from a privileged class-- you go to school, open a business, hustle, whatever. People living in poverty live the lives they do for various reasons-- born into poverty, low education, mental illness, substance abuse, poor health, elderly, single mothers raising…

Its scary how a gatekeeper like PG doesn't even have the basic understanding of poverty.

He used "poverty" instead of "broke". What's the drama?

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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How much food does a cow need to filter to get that nutrient-dense liver? My estimate is that it's probably equivalent to several families dining on protein rich, nutrient rich grains throughout the whole year. Your arguments that appeal to tradition, history, and culture, cannot be considered rational arguments. They also aren't derived from morals (product of rationalism). They are empty. I wonder how did the Chine…

> How much food does a cow need to filter to get that nutrient-dense liver? Cows eat food humans can't. That's the entire point of having them! In some places they feed them other things, but it doesn't have to be that way.

most of the USA cattle industry is based on dirt cheap soybean and corn, grass-fed beef is less sustainable and productive, you just cannot expect the same growth of cows body given that low protein intake, + the area needed is extremely huge and simple calculations dictate that one would have to grass-feed the cows using the whole area of North America and north parts of the South (assuming all of it is rich soil) to replace the environmentally destructive soybean-corn-based meat production. It isn't sustainable, it's hugely inefficient and isn't a solution.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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Great letter, totally agree with the 'Clean Energy Crisis'. I'm glad Bill Gates stepped into the cause as it will get more lime light now. As an aside, I wish there was a way to turn off/on those side note in his blog, it was bit of distraction - that is why I prefer Safari's reading mode.

Hear, hear! I agree with my esteemed colleague on HN. Clean energy is important. After 60 years of warnings, let's be happy that Bill Gates has stepped up. http://youtu.be/m-AXBbuDxRY Now back to that Reader mode thing. Firefox and IE have them too. Can anyone guess why clean energy hasn't been solved? Look at the chart in the 1950's and 1960s. We were barely doing any damage compared to today.

Why it hasn't been solved ? Little political will arriving just recently(mostly due to economics i think). Further more many of the energy technologies have slow improvement trends, we didn't work until recently on nuclear innovations due to political and economic reasons, and even with that replacing everything that emits co2 is a huge project.

Re: Bill and Melinda Gates 2016 Annual Letter

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> How much food does a cow need to filter to get that nutrient-dense liver? Cows eat food humans can't. That's the entire point of having them! In some places they feed them other things, but it doesn't have to be that way.

most of the USA cattle industry is based on dirt cheap soybean and corn, grass-fed beef is less sustainable and productive, you just cannot expect the same growth of cows body given that low protein intake, + the area needed is extremely huge and simple calculations dictate that one would have to grass-feed the cows using the whole area of North America and north parts of the South (assuming all of it is rich soil) t…

But all the same, there's room for some meat (and more milk and eggs) in the diet, thanks to cows, chickens, and so on being able to eat things that humans can't. Eating meat every day is probably unsustainable, but veganism is too far the other way.
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