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On Marrying the Wrong Person

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Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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post #41

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But of course you could take a step back and ask why they're tired of their partner. Sometimes that's a result of an internal insecurity, too. Put another way, you might say that a person who is 'tired' of their partner is in some perhaps fixable way insecure about the relationship itself, of which they are a part.

So if every (or most) relationships are fixable, what does it matter who you pick as partner?

I think who you pick as a partner is a pretty weak indicator for relationship longevity. Being/becoming the right partner counts more. As with many things in life, the day to day execution is much more important than the initial state.

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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>Unless you're celibate Pretty much, rough marriage, sex with each other isn't something they want even if you do. Needless to say, more than 12 months go by between 'action.' Right now we are together for finances and the kiddo. But I still have to deal with all of the negatives. I might hook up with others once everything is normal, but really the primary motivator isn't sex or a better mate, it's just freedom to b…

Your precise situation is a common theory for why women disproportionately initiate divorce.

Yeah, that makes sense, and can totally empathize with them for that. I love independent women though, and love a career oriented woman, so I can't complain. I had just hoped it was going to be equal, she'd consider the situation and help out a bit. It's not entirely her fault though, I add to the entropy of our marriage just as much, if not more.

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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post #40

This site seems to be derived (or even created by as, it reminds me of his style) Alain de Botton's work -- author of many interesting modern philosophy books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alain_de_Botton

Yup, he helped found The School of Life, which is responsible for this website.

Out of curiosity, did you read the content and not read anything about the source? The first thought I had when I saw the domain name was huh, who is telling me to live my life this way.

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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Here's an uncomfortable thought: an effective 1-to-1 mapping between men and women probably doesn't exist. The fact of the matter is that women are primarily interested in a top smaller percentage of high value men (this is called hypergamy). This smaller group of desirable men would most like to have multiple mates (this is called polygamy). Marriage, and the accompanying culture and customs, 'corrects' this by tryi…

Yes, monogamy is usually framed as being good for women and detrimental to men when in fact it's been invented so that non-alpha males could mate; in a "natural" world, most (all) women would mate with the alpha male of the group, and all other males would not mate at all. Therefore it shouldn't be unexpected that women who didn't get to marry the alpha male, are unhappy and eventually want out.

As someone who hangs out in circles where polyamory is common, I can say that it doesn't quite work out this way. There are certainly the super-desirable guys who have unreasonably-many unreasonably-attractive partners- but they still only have so much time in the day, they can't sustain real relationships (or even consistent sexual relations) with everyone. Those with only a fraction of these golden boys' attentions will occupy the rest of their romantic energies with others, and those others will occupy the remainder of their romantic time with others, and so on "down." Its hard for everyone to wind up happy, but no harder I think than in monogamous crowds.

(And the same thing happens, symmetrically, with the super-desirable girls. And pseudo-symmetrically with gays and lesbians and bisexuals and etc etc etc.)

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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Three notes I would add: 1) In response to the "know yourself" bullet: I met my now wife at 15 - we learned a lot about ourselves between then and when we married at age 22. But we were pretty much committed to marrying by age 18, even though we learned a lot after. You can learn with another person. 2) Life pro tip on understanding other people (this is a quick reinforcement of a bunch of points in the article): if…

> if someone is behaving irrationally, 99% of the time its because they are subconciously insecure about something.

I'd generalize that to "they are reacting rationally to factors that are invisible to you"

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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Have to say I really like the layout and color scheme of the site and I like the general "life advice" theme as well.

What if we made a git-backed / wiki style site like this where anyone could contribute and the best "life advice" would rise to the top?

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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Have to say I really like the layout and color scheme of the site and I like the general "life advice" theme as well. What if we made a git-backed / wiki style site like this where anyone could contribute and the best "life advice" would rise to the top?

I'm sure there are a variety of subreddits you could combine into a multireddit that would serve this purpose. /r/diy, /r/lifeprotips, and /r/personalfinance all come to mind.

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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Three notes I would add: 1) In response to the "know yourself" bullet: I met my now wife at 15 - we learned a lot about ourselves between then and when we married at age 22. But we were pretty much committed to marrying by age 18, even though we learned a lot after. You can learn with another person. 2) Life pro tip on understanding other people (this is a quick reinforcement of a bunch of points in the article): if…

> 2) Life pro tip on understanding other people (this is a quick reinforcement of a bunch of points in the article): if someone is behaving irrationally, 99% of the time its because they are subconciously insecure about something. How about the possibility that they are tired of their partner? The irrationality might come from the fact that they are bound to them (e.g. marriage) and feel pressure to not break that ap…

I don't think you two necessarily disagree.

One way to reconcile these ideas is to point out that it's entirely rational to push someone away you don't want to be with.

However, I think the grandparent comment is really talking about otherwise stable relationships where one party can, quite suddenly, start behaving very differently. Usually when this happens, someone will try to justify themself, saying that the reason is X or Y, often blaming the other party. E.g. they'll pick something close at hand, some bad habits or old points of conflict to justify the mood.

Consider two examples, with 'your' bad habit being leaving dirty dishes. If you just left a huge mess in the kitchen, an argument that evening is not irrational. If it happened earlier in the week without consequence (you cleaned up later), but suddenly it's being brought up as the cause of conflict, be suspicious that there's something else going on.

Honestly, sometimes when this happens to you, your relatively normal perception of the situation can make the really irrational stuff seem almost comical. However, it's so easy to get baited into an argument that that's what often happens. A little awareness and firmness in not getting drawn in can go a long way. There are patterns to recognize.

The key isn't to excuse irrational behavior (after all, the tailgater is still being dangerous), but to take it into account in how you respond. You can save yourself immense grief with half a second of realization that "something's up."

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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Here's an uncomfortable thought: an effective 1-to-1 mapping between men and women probably doesn't exist. The fact of the matter is that women are primarily interested in a top smaller percentage of high value men (this is called hypergamy). This smaller group of desirable men would most like to have multiple mates (this is called polygamy). Marriage, and the accompanying culture and customs, 'corrects' this by tryi…

Your same arguments apply in the other direction, you know. It's not just women interested in the most desireable men, it's also that men are interested in the most desirable women.

There are more desirable women (#1 young, #2 pretty) than men (#1 wealthy, #2 pretty)

Re: On Marrying the Wrong Person

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Maybe an age thing, hormones do die down I hear! But I doubt these people you're talking about (yourself included) are all celibate though. > "I'm stuck in this situation; kids, a marriage where I get no real benefit, I just want to be free and do what I want and not have to bow to their whims." Unless you're celibate, then this is equivalent to wanting to be with another mate, as that is what will happen. Not to dis…

No, that rings hollow to me. Humans are sophisticated enough to genuinely have other needs aside from primal mating urges. Self-actualization is a huge one and more than sufficient to be the primary motivator for someone seeking to leave a family/marriage situation.

And yet, statistically, very few people have self-actualization urges beyond using them as a means to attract a mate and reproducing.
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