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Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by mc32 »

tptacek wrote: post #65
mc32 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Choosing Scotland over the more usual U.K. or British, is peculiar. It's like saying a Russian aircraft violated Alaskan airspace rather than US airspace. This choice is possibly indicative of other subsurface politics.

Scotland is the UK . Scotland's airspace is managed by the UK central government. This is like saying "flying over Maine, rather than over the more typical USA, is suggestive of subsurface politics".

Yes but it's a political subdivision of the U.K. if the plane flew over one of the Swiss cantons, we don't mention the canton, we mention the main superdivisional entity, typically. It sounds peculiar. It's not wrong, but it's non standard.

Airspace is the dominion of the central government, not the political subdivisions, just like territorial waters.

To add: "flying over" is descriptive, "airspace" is a geopolitical term, in this context. Hence the question. But now I understand it's a pro indep publication.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by mturmon »

doe88 wrote: post #5

Not going to be scrambling jets to get a 29-year-old hacker. -- Obama 6/27/13 http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/27/19166043-obama... He's true though, it wasn't jets.

I also enjoyed this tidbit in the article, which I had not known before:

"The presidential plane of Bolivian leader Evo Morales was forced to ground in Vienna, after four EU nations refused airspace access on the mistaken belief that Snowden was hidden on board."

Can you imagine the feeling of impotence, as a national president, when your plane is forced to land because of such suspicions?

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by scrollaway »

krapp wrote: post #67
scrollaway wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Snowden has been far more independently active since his asylum. He even maintains a twitter account. It's not like his entire life is filtered through the media.

Not to be paranoid and cynical, but we don't actually know that Edward Snowden, personally , is still maintaining that account, even though the account was verified.

He's spoken publicly through video feeds at conferences etc. If he was being impersonated I'm fairly certain we would have heard about it by now.

Of course you could be cynical enough to say his video/voice etc is being faked as well, but you have to ground your beliefs somewhere and know there is a spoon when there is one...

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by TallGuyShort »

ptaipale wrote: post #51
tptacek wrote: post #22

The craft was used in controversial US ‘rendition’ missions This is apparently true, but misleading. The specific plane we're discussing was used by the CIA, but by this point had been transferred to DOJ for some time. It's also misleading to use the word "rendition" as a shorthand for "extraordinary rendition" (which is itself newspeak for "kidnapping"). "Rendition" itself is simply the process of effectuating extra…

> And this particular headline is pretty silly. Scotland is part of the United Kingdom I guess this headline is because The National (Scotland) is a Scottish national newspaper that might ride any horse if they see it as helping Scottish independence from the UK.

Yeah - that angle bleeds through pretty heavily in the quotes. "This is what an independent Scotland should insist on"

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by alistairSH »

mc32 wrote: post #59
tptacek wrote: post #22

The craft was used in controversial US ‘rendition’ missions This is apparently true, but misleading. The specific plane we're discussing was used by the CIA, but by this point had been transferred to DOJ for some time. It's also misleading to use the word "rendition" as a shorthand for "extraordinary rendition" (which is itself newspeak for "kidnapping"). "Rendition" itself is simply the process of effectuating extra…

Choosing Scotland over the more usual U.K. or British, is peculiar. It's like saying a Russian aircraft violated Alaskan airspace rather than US airspace. This choice is possibly indicative of other subsurface politics.

Yes, as noted in a sibling comment, The National is a Scottish newspaper that leans towards Scottish devolution/independence. That they would take a chance to jab at "London" is no surprise.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by raesene4 »

tptacek wrote: post #53
ptaipale wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And this particular headline is pretty silly. Scotland is part of the United Kingdom I guess this headline is because The National (Scotland) is a Scottish national newspaper that might ride any horse if they see it as helping Scottish independence from the UK.

Well, now I like the article more. :)

to provide some context on the newspaper that this article is on. The national is a newspaper specifically set up at the time of the Scottish Referendum to provide a more nationalist viewpoint to counter the perception that the mainstream UK media had a Unionist slant.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by forgetsusername »

vlunkr wrote: post #10

I really hope they pardon him eventually. I could be wrong, but don't most americans support what he did? EDIT: you are probably all correct, plenty of people don't understand/care who he is or what he stands for. I still wish the government would recognize that the NSA is acting unconstitutionally and he called them out on it.

>but don't most americans support what he did?"

Right or wrong, most young people do, most old people don't.

It's just another in a long list of generational schisms that will be adjusted in the future.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by lmm »

mc32 wrote: post #59
tptacek wrote: post #22

The craft was used in controversial US ‘rendition’ missions This is apparently true, but misleading. The specific plane we're discussing was used by the CIA, but by this point had been transferred to DOJ for some time. It's also misleading to use the word "rendition" as a shorthand for "extraordinary rendition" (which is itself newspeak for "kidnapping"). "Rendition" itself is simply the process of effectuating extra…

Choosing Scotland over the more usual U.K. or British, is peculiar. It's like saying a Russian aircraft violated Alaskan airspace rather than US airspace. This choice is possibly indicative of other subsurface politics.

It's a Scottish newspaper.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by krapp »

scrollaway wrote: post #73
krapp wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to be paranoid and cynical, but we don't actually know that Edward Snowden, personally , is still maintaining that account, even though the account was verified.

He's spoken publicly through video feeds at conferences etc. If he was being impersonated I'm fairly certain we would have heard about it by now. Of course you could be cynical enough to say his video/voice etc is being faked as well, but you have to ground your beliefs somewhere and know there is a spoon when there is one...

No, i'm pretty much limiting my cynicism to Twitter and quotes in print. I'm not willing to jump that far down the rabbithole.

Re: Secret US flight flew over Scottish airspace to capture Snowden

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Post by Sharlin »

mc32 wrote: post #59
tptacek wrote: post #22

The craft was used in controversial US ‘rendition’ missions This is apparently true, but misleading. The specific plane we're discussing was used by the CIA, but by this point had been transferred to DOJ for some time. It's also misleading to use the word "rendition" as a shorthand for "extraordinary rendition" (which is itself newspeak for "kidnapping"). "Rendition" itself is simply the process of effectuating extra…

Choosing Scotland over the more usual U.K. or British, is peculiar. It's like saying a Russian aircraft violated Alaskan airspace rather than US airspace. This choice is possibly indicative of other subsurface politics.

Eh. It's a Scottish newspaper, and the countries in the UK are quite different from the US states. Doubly more so for Scotland whose independence ambitions are well known. That said, the newspaper in question is pro-independence, but just choosing Scotland over UK is scarcely a sign of political bias.
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