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Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by coldtea »

calciphus wrote: post #68
coldtea wrote: post #53

> Microsoft pulls in an impressive $1.35B in revenue for Surface line Really? Impressive for whom? 1.3B is less than what Apple made with the iWatch -- and that's after decades of MS losing money and trying to go somewhere with their table OS and then tablet offerings.

Wait, where did you get Apple Watch numbers? Apple hasn't released those.

"Though Apple won't share specific sales figures for its new Apple Watch, disclosures made by the company this week reveal that the wearable device reached more than $1.69 billion in sales by the end of September"

http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/29/apple-watch-sales-...

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by soared »

coldtea wrote: post #55
vilmosi wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it that when MS makes a "new" product and category, you put it in quotations, yet when Apple does it, you don't? Your approach to these companies is hypocritical at best. At least MS is trying to invent a new category these days. >>> had huge market share out of the gate That's just wrong.

> Why is it that when MS makes a "new" product and category, you put it in quotations, yet when Apple does it, you don't? Because one dominates and defines the market, as can be seen by any before and after, and the other is just putting out some products few people care about.

> the other is just putting out some products few people care about.

Exceptional job establishing your bias for the rest of us to see.

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by amlgsmsn »

coldtea wrote: post #71
calciphus wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, where did you get Apple Watch numbers? Apple hasn't released those.

" Though Apple won't share specific sales figures for its new Apple Watch, disclosures made by the company this week reveal that the wearable device reached more than $1.69 billion in sales by the end of September " http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/29/apple-watch-sales-...

So that's 6 months of sales versus 3 months for the Surface, so not directly comparable.

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by craigvn »

poopsintub wrote: post #23
vilmosi wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't this what people said about the original iPhone?

It's a bit subjective since one company had huge market share out of the gate and invented the category, while the other keeps releasing 'new' products, years later. So yes, there's growth for now. For Wall Street, growth is pretty much key.

Tablet computers were available for 10 years before the iPad came out. They certainly brought the category mainstream but a long way from invented it.

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by craigvn »

makecheck wrote: post #59

A general accounting question...do all companies count revenue the same way for scenarios like: - Product is purchased by store. - Customer actually buys product. - Customer returns product. - Unsold product is returned by store. In other words, I don't know how to compare this to anything else because I don't know if it's counting units that didn't reach real customers, or if the announcement would be a lot differen…

They all count differently depend on the news they are trying to sell.

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by craigvn »

makecheck wrote: post #59

A general accounting question...do all companies count revenue the same way for scenarios like: - Product is purchased by store. - Customer actually buys product. - Customer returns product. - Unsold product is returned by store. In other words, I don't know how to compare this to anything else because I don't know if it's counting units that didn't reach real customers, or if the announcement would be a lot differen…

They all count differently depend on the news they are trying to sell.

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by coldtea »

soared wrote: post #72
coldtea wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it that when MS makes a "new" product and category, you put it in quotations, yet when Apple does it, you don't? Because one dominates and defines the market, as can be seen by any before and after, and the other is just putting out some products few people care about.

> the other is just putting out some products few people care about. Exceptional job establishing your bias for the rest of us to see.

Sorry, but the market speaks for it too. Few people care about is a quantifiable statement.

If anything you uncovered a non-objective bias.

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by gelasio »

amlgsmsn wrote: post #73
coldtea wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

" Though Apple won't share specific sales figures for its new Apple Watch, disclosures made by the company this week reveal that the wearable device reached more than $1.69 billion in sales by the end of September " http://appleinsider.com/articles/15/10/29/apple-watch-sales-...

So that's 6 months of sales versus 3 months for the Surface, so not directly comparable.

coldtea is a known pro-Apple, anti-Microsoft shill who has no problem lying in an attempt to make Apple look good and make Microsoft look bad.

Anyone who acted like this person in an anti-Apple way would have been kicked off of this forum already.

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by coldtea »

gelasio wrote: post #78
amlgsmsn wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So that's 6 months of sales versus 3 months for the Surface, so not directly comparable.

coldtea is a known pro-Apple, anti-Microsoft shill who has no problem lying in an attempt to make Apple look good and make Microsoft look bad. Anyone who acted like this person in an anti-Apple way would have been kicked off of this forum already.

>coldtea is a known pro-Apple, anti-Microsoft shill who has no problem lying in an attempt to make Apple look good and make Microsoft look bad.

Sorry, but what is this kind of Reddit-level BS?

First, "shill" means a paid lackey. I don't think you know me, and I sure don't know you. So that's not just rude, it's insulting. Even more so "has no problem lying".

Also "known pro-Apple, anti-Microsoft"? What are you, 16 years old? If you have issues with Apple take it with the company, not people you don't know in forums.

I'm 40ish, not some corporate fanboi in their parents' basement -- which yur kind of arguments seem to be meant for. I've used and am using both Apple and MS products. And Linux and FreeBSD. In fact I've cut my teeth on SunOS, back before there was OS X and Gnome. So, I could not give LESS fucks about Apple or Microsoft. I just tell it like I see it.

Microsoft has been trying with their tablet for decades, and I know because I was in the IT sector all those decades. And it was always subpart, in a crude PC with a detachable monitor way.

So, after nearly 2 decades of them trying, I wouldn't call making 1.3 billion revenue in 3 months with the latest Surface "impressive". Especially since Apple just made 40% more with a new product category, and with a first-generation product in only 6 months -- as opposed to after 16 years of trying to make it with the same product category (and losing money all the while on it).

How is 1.3 billion in 3 months for Surface impressive, when its competitor, considered "declining" still managed to do 4-5 times the number in its last quarter?

Re: Microsoft pulls in $1.35B in revenue for Surface line

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Post by gelasio »

coldtea wrote: post #79
gelasio wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

coldtea is a known pro-Apple, anti-Microsoft shill who has no problem lying in an attempt to make Apple look good and make Microsoft look bad. Anyone who acted like this person in an anti-Apple way would have been kicked off of this forum already.

> coldtea is a known pro-Apple, anti-Microsoft shill who has no problem lying in an attempt to make Apple look good and make Microsoft look bad. Sorry, but what is this kind of Reddit-level BS? First, "shill" means a paid lackey. I don't think you know me, and I sure don't know you. So that's not just rude, it's insulting. Even more so "has no problem lying". Also "known pro-Apple, anti-Microsoft"? What are you, 16 y…

> First, "shill" means a paid lackey.

OK. Then you're an unpaid lackey I guess. Good for you.

> I'm 40ish, not some corporate fanboi in their parents' basement -- which yur kind of arguments seem to be meant for.

You're the one who comes into a thread about Microsoft's success and has to immediately start comparing them to Apple who doesn't even have a competing product in the iPad or the iWatch.

That's how 16 year old fanbois act. So, if the shoe fits...

> How is 1.3 billion in 3 months for Surface impressive, blah blah blah.

Gee, if making a billion dollars in three months isn't impressive to you then I don't know what would be. How can one company possibly be successful when another company is also successful?

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