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80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by diego_moita »

And so what? Did you write "HTML/CSS is mandatory" in the job description?

As a developer I have grown a tough skin to managers that keep complaining that "these JS/Python kids today don't know anything about register allocation and data segments in assembly!"

Workers unable to fully understand your technology stack is an universal problem, goes far beyond computers and web. There are only 2 options for you to deal with it:

1. The Silicon Valley approach: pay top dollars to whoever knows the technology you want.

2. The German Mittelstand approach: nurture, train and develop your own experts. Make deals with technical schools, offer a viable career path to young students and help them learn.

Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by klibertp »

jevgeni wrote: post #61
fouadf wrote: post #24

With so many frameworks that do almost everything out of the box, and stackoverflow, why would you even care?

What's the value of a developer then, if his/hers only job is to cobble together frameworks and snippets?

Maybe the value lies in knowing which frameworks to combine with which snippets and in what way?

Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by at-fates-hands »

pkinchla wrote: post #58
daiwei wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totally agree. I see front end job descriptions asking for understanding of Java and .Net but no mentioning of JS, CSS or any HTML. There could be easily a miscommunication of misunderstanding what the company want. Not saying the job description used here is wrong, just an example of miscommunication.

I recently saw an Ad for a front end job requiring: "strong Java Scripts" skills.

Just got an email yesterday from a corporate recruiter with the line "must have strong JAVA script" skills.

My instant reaction was, "You keep using that word, I do not think it means, what you think it means."

Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by estefan »

bluejekyll wrote: post #32
daiwei wrote: post #12

I've used `nav` or `section` for a long time, never found of the difference from `div`. Screen readers? Maybe for `nav`, what about `section` and other 1000 tags with subtle different semantics?

this is all about default CSS values associated with the tag, you can override them as you like which is probably what your relying on.

But obviously when you use your reset.css that all goes out the window anyway... I thought it was some semantic thing for screen readers.

Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

tlrobinson wrote: post #62
gioele wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I could build a website using alone. Then my scraper that reads headlines on your website with `//(h1|h2|h3)` will not work. And I will not be able to read and linearize your tabular data. And plenty of other things. (Things you probably do not care about.) Oh, and you website will have no links (the `href` attribute of ` ` is not simulable via CSS).

> Oh, and you website will have no links (the `href` attribute of ` ` is not simulable via CSS). JavaScript to the rescue!

/s

FTFY

Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

mixmastamyk wrote: post #52
daleharvey wrote: post #5

At 80 people it might start being the time to question whether its really everyone else thats unskilled or your approach to evaluation is wrong. Asking a pop quiz of arbitrary tools / techniques that you happen to have remember really isn't a good way to evaluate if someone is a good developer. I am a good developer and I only just remember what clearfix is, I most certainly couldnt explain how it works.

Agreed on the memorization of trivia questions. I've encountered this clearfix problem and solved it independently perhaps five times over the last decade, but just had to look it up since I had no idea it was called "clearfix" ... someone's marketing term for it.

Not really a "marketing" term so much as one that became popular during the "everyone must write their own grid framework" era.

Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by MAGZine »

_asdf_asdf wrote: post #70
bmj wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Accessibility" Kinda like i18n for "internationalization."

...or globalization = g11n

Knowing i11n and i18n, I'm fairly sure I could've figured out g11n, since they all share a similiar context.

Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by estefan »

rgbrenner wrote: post #35

Although I only had the chance to review their personal websites or github profiles and then Many are not able to choose the right HTML elements, to explain why and how a clearfix works, or what ARIA roles are for, but they can use React and Angular. No kidding. They couldn't explain clearfix because you never asked them any questions. You want to talk about incompetence, and your "application review" consists of bro…

This guy's gold! Someone can learn react and angular but he thinks they're incapable of learning some accessibility attributes? I wonder how competent he is with angular/react...

Re: 80 front-end job applications – nearly no one had basic HTML/CSS/A11y skills

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Post by Avshalom »

n00b101 wrote: post #36
mkozlows wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are no useful abstractions that will let you fail to understand how HTML and CSS work.

> There are no useful abstractions that will let you fail to understand how HTML and CSS work WebGL, WebAssembly, emscripten

HTML and CSS are the abstractions instead of reimplementing layout/display in GL
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