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How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Post by kfk »

shostack wrote: post #59
kdamken wrote: post #33

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Did you get in at noon? Why would you work somewhere that requires those kinds of hours? With a 90 minute commute on top of that? Not trying to be condescending, it's just that those kinds of things would be a huge motivator for me to find another job. I found a place 15 minutes from my house, and everyone in the office is gone by 5, sometimes earlier on Fridays. I hope you find a better job soon.

Not everyone has a great work situation. The general HN sentiment is one of finite work hours, great work conditions and great pay or people quit. In an ideal world, I love that notion. Many people here are fortunate enough to have the leverage granted by the current job market to insist on those things (or quit and walk into another better paying job the next day). Unfortunately, for those that are not engineers, or…

Let me answer your question: they will be treated as low level engineers and they will have to suck it up or will have to go into management and work 10 hrs days. How much gets an average RoR nowadays? How much did he get when the tech was shiny new? Coding per se won't get the million $ salaries they want, it's bound to go down. Even today, they look at what the best 5% gets and they think all coders get that, most coders don't, most coders in West Europe get very average salaries.

It's ludicrous to see people making the point of their perfect >40 hours job now, let's see in 5 or 10 years when the market is saturated.

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Post by new_hackers »

mathgeek wrote: post #65
Grishnakh wrote: post #29

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Printer paper and tape would solve your problem quickly.

Yeah, but it's difficult to tape paper on everyone's face as they walk by.

If you started doing that I bet they'd start choosing another route. Problem solved!

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Post by camelNotation »

sosborn wrote: post #45
cuddlybacon wrote: post #42

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People who respect themselves.

That's not really fair. Some people enjoy working like that, some people find that the salary they are making (and enjoying) require those kind of hours, etc.

How do you enjoy a salary without time? Do you just glance at your mobile banking app in between meetings for kicks?

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Post by kdamken »

shostack wrote: post #59
kdamken wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you get in at noon? Why would you work somewhere that requires those kinds of hours? With a 90 minute commute on top of that? Not trying to be condescending, it's just that those kinds of things would be a huge motivator for me to find another job. I found a place 15 minutes from my house, and everyone in the office is gone by 5, sometimes earlier on Fridays. I hope you find a better job soon.

Not everyone has a great work situation. The general HN sentiment is one of finite work hours, great work conditions and great pay or people quit. In an ideal world, I love that notion. Many people here are fortunate enough to have the leverage granted by the current job market to insist on those things (or quit and walk into another better paying job the next day). Unfortunately, for those that are not engineers, or…

While that's a fair point, I would say that you always have a choice to make. 3 years ago I was doing customer service, driving an hour both ways, and getting paid a very mediocre salary. I wasn't happy, so I taught myself to code and after a year of that got a job as a front end developer, for a lot more money and a much better commute.

While I understand that everyone's situation is different, you can always try to change and improve it.

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Post by sosborn »

camelNotation wrote: post #73
sosborn wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not really fair. Some people enjoy working like that, some people find that the salary they are making (and enjoying) require those kind of hours, etc.

How do you enjoy a salary without time? Do you just glance at your mobile banking app in between meetings for kicks?

Do you think they are at the office 24/7? I'm sure they are driving kick-ass cars to and from work, wearing high end clothes, eating awesome food when they get home to their kick-ass house and just generally enjoying the overall secure feeling of having a good paycheck.

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Post by insaneirish »

sosborn wrote: post #75
camelNotation wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you enjoy a salary without time? Do you just glance at your mobile banking app in between meetings for kicks?

Do you think they are at the office 24/7? I'm sure they are driving kick-ass cars to and from work, wearing high end clothes, eating awesome food when they get home to their kick-ass house and just generally enjoying the overall secure feeling of having a good paycheck.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit.

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Post by mathgeek »

new_hackers wrote: post #72
mathgeek wrote: post #65

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Yeah, but it's difficult to tape paper on everyone's face as they walk by.

If you started doing that I bet they'd start choosing another route. Problem solved!

I like your attitude! If I ever go back to an office job, you can be my cubicle mate.

Re: How I learned to stop worrying and love the cubicle

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Post by sosborn »

insaneirish wrote: post #76
sosborn wrote: post #75

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Do you think they are at the office 24/7? I'm sure they are driving kick-ass cars to and from work, wearing high end clothes, eating awesome food when they get home to their kick-ass house and just generally enjoying the overall secure feeling of having a good paycheck.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a bit.

Why? The fact that this lifestyle doesn't appeal to you doesn't make it any less valid.
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