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Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Re: Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Post by rbanffy »

jodrellblank wrote: post #52
rbanffy wrote: post #39

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ARM is not magic. I bet that as soon as it performs in the same range as an x86 under OSX, power consumption will be similar. You may feel better the ISA is neater, and that it may be Windows-proof, but that's about all you'll have.

it may be Windows-proof Fear not, Windows runs on ARM and has done for several years. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2012/02/09/building-wind...

Yes, but they'd still need to port some bits and pieces. I don't see Microsoft doing that.

Re: Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Post by tacos »

dkrich wrote: post #69
tacos wrote: post #34

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SharePoint lets you glue together a lot of business process with (gasp) paid software. Somewhere in Idaho there's a five person dev shop who's really, really worried about making the tool for production companies that have to deliver 30 second radio spots in 40 languages. And somewhere in Burbank there's a couple production companies happy to pay them $1200/seat each for ten people instead of hiring a bunch of devs t…

Somewhere in Idaho there's a five person dev shop who's really, really worried about making the tool for production companies that have to deliver 30 second radio spots in 40 languages. Sharepoint's bread and butter is in Fortune-500 companies' IT departments that use Microsoft, IBM, and Hewlett Packard software because they are not in the business of risk. Software is a resource, just like the buildings those compan…

It's not just the Fortune 500. That currently cuts off with United Rentals at #500 with 12,000 employees.

Lots of small 50+ employee companies use SharePoint. It often works even better for them: they can solve problems by dumbly plucking software out of a catalog and clumsily grow their business processes around best-practices implied by that software.

In some future marco.org universe you can apt-get an entire business infrastructure and it all works great provided your MacBooks weigh 1.7 pounds instead of 2.3 with a 220dpi screen instead of 135.

In the meantime, small companies tend to be full of people who haven't figured out what the heck they're doing yet and being able to buy an HR application makes a lot more sense than hiring 6 Ruby devs who 1) know nothing about HR 2) don't care about HR and 3) can't learn about HR or even gather specs because the person in charge is the owner's dumb son who doesn't know much about HR yet either.

Re: Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Post by soared »

rbanffy wrote: post #42
soared wrote: post #16

> It’s very inexpensive, even when specced up. $1400 buys the fastest CPU, 8 GB of RAM, and a 1 TB disk from Apple I had to laugh a little at this. $900 bought me a 5th gen i7, 16gb RAM, 1TB SSD and 256gb SSD. I do have to suffer through w10 and a lenovo backdoor though.

Let's see how that Lenovo is in five years.

I actually factored that into my purchase decision. My school paid for this laptop, so I got a cheap one with high end specs that I can replace with a beefy desktop and a chromebook in a few years when this Lenovo breaks.

Re: Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Post by Symbiote »

derefr wrote: post #59
rsync wrote: post #54

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I cannot believe this ... I read it here in your comment and I read it in the article ... This is the only mac laptop available with an ethernet port ? Seriously ? The current large size (15", right ?) macbook pro does not have an RJ45 port ?

You can look up a picture, but to paint one more evocatively through description: there's about 2mm of metal casing above and below the USB ports. The sides are effectively one USB-port high. RJ-45 ain't gonna fit.

With a little ingenuity, an ethernet port could have fitted [1].

A new Macbook Pro is my first Mac (provided by work), and I was surprised how much crap like this there was, which the other developers mentioned over the course of my first day. "Oh, you'll need a Magsafe to Magsafe 2 adaptor." "Careful with the Thunderbolt to ethernet adaptor, we've had to replace two motherboards when the cables snagged on the port." "Here's a USB hub."

And the Mac keyboard has a non-standard USB plug [2], as well as the non-standard keyboard layout.

Apple have very effective marketing though, the other developers didn't seem to think there was any other laptop which had a metal body, or comparable battery life.

[1] http://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/pics/Sony_V...

[2] http://i.imgur.com/YhjBHOI.jpg

Re: Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Post by mehrdada »

slantyyz wrote: post #38
kwiens wrote: post #33

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They don't make them anymore, but you can get them used and they're still great machines.

In my opinion (the market clearly disagrees with me), the mid-2012 15" model was the last great Macbook Pro that Apple ever made. That they don't make the unibodies any more is pretty much the main reason why I went back to a PC laptop. I loved my 2011 MBP because I didn't have to pay Apple prices for RAM and storage, and was gradually able to upgrade it as prices for RAM and SSDs came down. That was until it got bri…

I seriously doubt anyone cares much about raw battery capacity per se. Battery longevity is what matters. I wouldn't mind the smallest battery in the world if it powers my device the longest. The good news is despite the smaller battery and thinness and much much better display, the new Retina MBP 15" has better battery life than the machine you believe was the last great one.

In the end, you might not agree with their trade-offs, but they are giving the customer the best of both worlds (something I suspect most of their customers appreciate), improving across both dimensions of weight and battery life. It's very hard to argue they are making a worse machine now than before.

Re: Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Post by eitally »

dkrich wrote: post #67
eitally wrote: post #14

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I see a lot of complaints about Sharepoint, but this one is new to me. What about it is outdated, and especially when you compare it to what other options? I'm no fan, and Sharepoint is super-heavy and requires enterprisey-typical levels of care & feeding, but it's a mature platform and offers a lot of pretty spiffy bells & whistles when correctly configured. None of the open source options remotely compare.

I'm no fan, and Sharepoint is super-heavy and requires enterprisey-typical levels of care & feeding, but it's a mature platform You seem to have just agreed with me. The Sharepoint vs. open source argument is a straw-man, since I never once mentioned open source. Sharepoint is used by all manner of organization for all manner of tasks. I just recently ran into an organization using it as a CMS platform. Past teams I'…

Actually, I'm not agreeing at all. I think software (especially extensible platforms) are perfectly allowed to require care & feeding.

I also agree that Sharepoint is misused frequently, and that it's totally unsuited to small teams. But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about large enterprises, which the GP said is ostensibly why Google bought Bebop.

Re: Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Post by slantyyz »

mehrdada wrote: post #75
slantyyz wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion (the market clearly disagrees with me), the mid-2012 15" model was the last great Macbook Pro that Apple ever made. That they don't make the unibodies any more is pretty much the main reason why I went back to a PC laptop. I loved my 2011 MBP because I didn't have to pay Apple prices for RAM and storage, and was gradually able to upgrade it as prices for RAM and SSDs came down. That was until it got bri…

I seriously doubt anyone cares much about raw battery capacity per se. Battery longevity is what matters. I wouldn't mind the smallest battery in the world if it powers my device the longest. The good news is despite the smaller battery and thinness and much much better display, the new Retina MBP 15" has better battery life than the machine you believe was the last great one. In the end, you might not agree with the…

>> Battery longevity is what matters. I wouldn't mind the smallest battery in the world if it powers my device the longest.

Nobody would mind that. But today, a bigger battery is more likely to power your device longer, all other things being equal.

If the Retina MBP's guts were put in a 2012-style unibody and the extra space was simply filled with more battery, I tend to think that the Retina MBP's battery life would be crazy good. And there are a lot of "pros" who use power-sucking, CPU intensive apps that would appreciate that.

Re: Why the 2012 non-Retina MacBook Pro still sells

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Post by jodrellblank »

rbanffy wrote: post #71
jodrellblank wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it may be Windows-proof Fear not, Windows runs on ARM and has done for several years. https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/b8/2012/02/09/building-wind...

Yes, but they'd still need to port some bits and pieces. I don't see Microsoft doing that.

You think they would't port Windows to run on an ARM MacBook? Do you know they made Windows to run on the Raspberry Pi ( https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/windows-10-for-iot/ )?

Because I think a MacBook version would have even more backing than that.

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