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Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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A reason not to use Telegram: https://oflisback.github.io/telegram-stalking/

Given the credibility attributed to Signal - f.x. by Bruce Schneier and Edward Snowden - I don't understand why it's not more popular than Telegram.

I want something to replace Hangouts, WhatsApp and Messenger and Telegram fits the bill while it looks to me like Signal doesn't. My Telegram account can be synced on multiple PCs and devices, while Signal seems to be phone only.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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I don't think WhatsApp Web is a ridiculous hack. Instead I think it's quite an ingenious hack to allow you to use a computer to send and receive messages without 1) dealing with the pesky message synchronisation issues that plague iMessage, and 2) having the server store all messages. And your phone only needs to be connected to the Internet, not necessarily on the same network. Regarding the use of QR code, I think…

Have you even tried Telegram on the Web? It's clearly superior and yes, WhatsApp's solution feels like a nasty hack when compared to it. Also, didn't get that mention to iMessage.

Does it work when you're not storing your messages on their servers?

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Whatsapp (facebook) is not the only the only company keen on censoring. Airbnb chat also censors messages. Typically when you try to give your number or whatsapp or some link.

AirBnB needs to make sure you are not undermining it by making the deal outside of their system ... b/c then they don't get a provision for it. So I'd say it's fine in this case. AirBnB is no medium where free speech is a significant concept.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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This is an extraordinarily bad precedent. Facebook has traditionally bought companies that it felt were competitive threats (Instagram, Whatsapp, etc) even though a significant percentage of their growth came from shares on Facebook products. It now appears that they will deal with competitors by crushing their ability to grow.

Of course, they are going to say that this is because of Telegram's links to terrorism. But any secure messenger can be used by bad actors, so that same excuse could be used for the wholesale blocking of all competing messengers. This is clearly anticompetitive behavior.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Playing devil's advocate: WhatsApp is a $22B investment. It makes sense to try to prevent it from being canabalized from the inside.

We've seen something like this before, when AIM allowed MSN Messenger to interoperate. I know this is a little different, but that was still how AIM lost.

Here is a fantastic war story from one of the MSN engineers on the battle to subvert AIM [1].

[1] https://nplusonemag.com/issue-19/essays/chat-wars/

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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According to the Telegram FAQ [1] the Telegram Facebook page [2] has been taken down as well. [1] https://telegram.org/faq#facebook [2] https://www.facebook.com/tlgrm

We need a competitor to FB ... sadly options like Diaspora are very problematic b/c you need to either run a server or trust a private person with it.

We have many like Google plus, twitter, linkedin, reddit and even hacker news (catering to a specific niche). Problem here is that too many people whom we may call "less tech savvy" won't leave FB. So, in order to stay "compatible" with them, we need to keep our FB accounts active!

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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post #71

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Given the credibility attributed to Signal - f.x. by Bruce Schneier and Edward Snowden - I don't understand why it's not more popular than Telegram.

I want something to replace Hangouts, WhatsApp and Messenger and Telegram fits the bill while it looks to me like Signal doesn't. My Telegram account can be synced on multiple PCs and devices, while Signal seems to be phone only.

Maybe for a synching feature it would be necessary to compromise on security of the data. The data is asymmetrically encrypted - so you'd have to synch it yourself by sending the data encrypted with you second phones key or you'd have to copy the private key itself. But I guess it would be possible. Though I don't miss this feature anyway.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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We need a competitor to FB ... sadly options like Diaspora are very problematic b/c you need to either run a server or trust a private person with it.

We have many like Google plus, twitter, linkedin, reddit and even hacker news (catering to a specific niche). Problem here is that too many people whom we may call "less tech savvy" won't leave FB. So, in order to stay "compatible" with them, we need to keep our FB accounts active!

- Google plus: that would be kind of pointless, wouldn't it?

- LinkedIn: The worst of the worst ... :D

- HN / Reddit / Twitter: How do you share pictures privately with friends? (to name one necessary feature)

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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We need a competitor to FB ... sadly options like Diaspora are very problematic b/c you need to either run a server or trust a private person with it.

We have many like Google plus, twitter, linkedin, reddit and even hacker news (catering to a specific niche). Problem here is that too many people whom we may call "less tech savvy" won't leave FB. So, in order to stay "compatible" with them, we need to keep our FB accounts active!

Reddit and Hacker News are rather content aggregators rather than social networks. Google+ and Twitter have the same issues than Facebook on these specific issues. LinkedIn is a bit too specialised for professional messages and they too like Google+ and Twitter don't have a great track record concerning privacy and abusing their position.

Re: WhatsApp is blocking Telegram links

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Wow, didn't expect this from WhatsApp. I wonder if we can hear it from their side to see if they have a specific reason. Also, are they blocking any other messenger links i.e WeChat, Line etc or just Telegram.

It might also be due lobbying given that Telegram was recently in the news for being a popular medium of ISIS communication (not for the attack - as we know by now, but for its public channels)

Thank god. Not being able to paste/visit the link directly from WhatsApp surely prevents them from planning an attack over Telegram /s

I agree with you that Telegram has been in the news recently, but I doubt it's related with this incident.

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