As someone who reads all of my email in a terminal: I don't see the problem here. I think gmail has a lot of issues, but making it harder for you to send me spam is not one of them.
It's not a bug, it's a feature! Seriously.
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#72GMail really became the IE of mail readers, that's how bad it is
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maps has really become a chore to use, too. I remember getting directions used to be easy once and now it's like interacting with enterprise software.
What? If you left-click in a place, a small card appears with an arrow that you can click to get directions. If you right-click, you can get directions from or to the place. And if you search, you also get a very visible round button with an arrow and the label "Directions". How is it hard? EDIT: Sorry if this came out as aggressive. I'm just dumbfounded, that's all.
On my phone, if I type in the name of a store, it gives me the most popular store of that name in the United States instead of the nearest one, because I have wifi locaiton turned off. That's the only reason. If I turn it back on (I don't want it on), the results are sorted as expected.
This is clearly an intentional anti-pattern, and it's been there for over two years. I have to actually type, for example: "Fry's electronics, city, state" (remember, this is on a TOUCH KEYBOARD) to get where I want to go.
It shouldn't really be in debate that the UX of maps has gone way downhill. There's simply no comparison to the older version and I've never met anyone who wasn't disappointed by the changes.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sending unsolicited email to public addresses in order to sell something is spam. Calling it 'cold email' to make it sound like a legitimate process does not change the fact you are spamming.
I don't actually sell, as these business don't pay us anything. Rather they list they business on our website to their (and ours) value. Is it still spam? (honest question) Edit: They are a business and have a "contact us" email on their website. Should I really not email them just because im not a customer, but a possible partner?
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative
Another way of phrasing your mother's advice: "What if everybody did X?"
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#75GMail, we need to talk. We need to talk about how substring searches do not work, 11 years after your launch. We need to talk about how you've slowly engineered out everything that was good and unique about GMail. We need to talk about how you "flattened" the style, removed colors from threaded messages, and just decided to use shades of grey everywhere. We need to talk about how difficult it is to tell one message f…
Maps has really become a chore to use, too. I remember getting directions used to be easy once and now it's like interacting with enterprise software.
It become slow and run my macbook pro fans. I have a late-2014 macbook pro and running latest Chrome (46) and yet it is painful to use.
I have a very long time since I used it. (I still use Google earth too).
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sole responsible for acquisition on a startup and I solely (for now) use direct cold email (it is B2B, email sent to public adresses, so it is not spam). I only use plain text emails. I don't even use email tracking so that hidden pixel doesn't trigger any annoying warning on the email client that ruins the experience.
Sending unsolicited email to public addresses in order to sell something is spam. Calling it 'cold email' to make it sound like a legitimate process does not change the fact you are spamming.
In some countries, business addresses aren't considered PII (private information). I, as a business, regularly get emails because of the Whois, as well as I receive letters which I dutifully send back to sender, but the law doesn't identify the latter as spam. Is it the case that emails to businesses aren't spam?
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#77I've become convinced that gmail's goal is not to improve email, but to extinguish and replace it. This article talks about one minor aspect of that. In addition:
* breaking established addressing conventions. Gmail (last time I used it) made it difficult to distinguish between To: and Cc:, both in received emails and when sending.
* messed-up quoting, and other broken conventions.
* the one that's been discussed to death here recently: it's on the way to impossible to send email and expect it not to be silently dropped if you're not on gmail.
* the email authenticity measures linked to the last point also screw up mailing lists and forwards. Most of the DMARC notifications I get from gmail now include a bunch of FAILs for people that forward from another domain to gmail. Soon, they'll simply stop receiving most mail.
Email is walking dead, and gmail is largely to blame.
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#78GMail, we need to talk. We need to talk about how substring searches do not work, 11 years after your launch. We need to talk about how you've slowly engineered out everything that was good and unique about GMail. We need to talk about how you "flattened" the style, removed colors from threaded messages, and just decided to use shades of grey everywhere. We need to talk about how difficult it is to tell one message f…
It is amazing that Microsoft is spanking Google in web interfaces of all things. Google does great stuff, but their disregard for the end user experience just ruins it.
Office 365 for email is dramatically better than GMail. Google Drive is much better, but I'm sure they will find a way to design that up too.
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#79Why has Gmail made it so hard to delete emails? I use various imap connections to gmail, and they've all replaced the delete icon with an archive button. Only the web app still has an easy to click delete button.
The last thing Google wants is to lose your personal data. They don't want you deleting anything.
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#80GMail, we need to talk. We need to talk about how substring searches do not work, 11 years after your launch. We need to talk about how you've slowly engineered out everything that was good and unique about GMail. We need to talk about how you "flattened" the style, removed colors from threaded messages, and just decided to use shades of grey everywhere. We need to talk about how difficult it is to tell one message f…
It's pretty well hidden, but you can still compose messages in a new window. For new messages, hold down Shift when clicking on the Compose button, or just hit Shift-C (but only if you have vim-style keyboard shortcuts turned on[1]). For replies, you have to click "pop out reply" first and then hold Shift while clicking the (horribly labeled) middle button in the resulting reply pane / thing[2].
...and the fact that I had to write this comment proves your point.
