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Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by yuhong »

mindcrash wrote: post #70
Quiark wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait, how do I prevent automatic update to Win10? I actually like the UI but the system Does Not Work (tm) on my hardware (I tried). I'm finding it hard to believe MS is going to auto-brick my laptop overnight.

They will when Windows 10 becomes a preferred update. Before that head into Control Panel > Windows Update > Change Settings Oh, btw: if you have let Automatic Updates run until now it's probably best to do a fresh reinstall of Windows 7 or Windows 8, because they retrofitted almost all of Windows 10 telemetry services in those operating systems in a series of "updates" released around August. Which gave me enough re…

They did not retrofit "almost all of Windows 10 telemetry services". I recommend that you read the TechNet article.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by yuhong »

Pharaoh2 wrote: post #69
marssaxman wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the perspective of a person whose standard for an operating system is "zero invasion of privacy", there's nothing particularly inflammatory about the article. It's fine if your expectations are less rigorous; you simply aren't part of the article's intended audience.

I know ubuntu, osx and windows 7 phone home for certains scenarios. Until you are running some *BSD box, you aren't getting that "zero invasion of privacy", you just think you are.

The browsers do so too BTW. Win7's telemetry settings was very different, but yes CEIP dates back to even Office 2003.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by blibble »

newman314 wrote: post #56
blibble wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

personally I took it as an opportunity to finally try out VT-d gaming... so Linux on the bare metal, and Windows tightly locked down in a VM (on a separate vlan). MS are free to spy on me playing X-COM, but they won't be getting anything else...

How goes vt-d gaming? I was investigating if it was possible to pass through the igpu using VMware but never could get a straight answer.

I've had two problems: crackling audio and NVIDIA's driver coming up with strange errors.

the former was fixed by buying a cheap PCI-E soundcard and passing it through (line-in'ed to the primary soundcard), and the latter by twiddling some QEMU flags, as NVIDIA want you to buy the $4000 quadro... my next card will be AMD, who don't do this sort of BS.

now it's all sorted it works like a dream, you wouldn't know it's in a VM.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by ionised »

MichaelGG wrote: post #13

Does anyone know the status of using the Windows Firewall to block this stuff? Since Search and other parts of the OS are actually apps it seems, if you set a default deny, then whitelist only certain parts, wouldn't that sort itself out? And any idea why MS is acting this way? Certainly offering a hidden opt-out registry key would satisfy a lot of customers, and not impact the telemetry data in a meaningful way. For…

I'd honestly highly recommend using a third party firewall.

Comodo is pretty good.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by ionised »

lurkinggrue wrote: post #23
coolnow wrote: post #19

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Okay, tell me how i can play all my Steam games then (no, not just the Source Engine ones).

Did you know Steam spy's on you? It saves your keystrokes (In steam instant messages) and tells people what game you are playing!

Steam records your gameplay statistics, and it is something you have agreed to.

It's not even remotely comparable to what MS is doing with Windows.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by ionised »

coolnow wrote: post #33
pdkl95 wrote: post #22

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1) wine is quite good these days. It has played far more than Source Engine games for like 5+ years. Ever since steam went to Linux and the Unity engine became popular, compatibility problems became much less common even on new games. 2) If you are always going to rank playing games as more important than spyware, then you're an easy mark. If you aren't willing to make a few sacrifices to invest in your future, then…

>Why do you care about spyware if games are more important? I use my Windows machine for gaming only, whereas the rest of my computing is split between my MacBook and iPad.

Same here, except Debian/Arch for all my non-gaming computing activities.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by ionised »

krompus wrote: post #30
pdkl95 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) wine is quite good these days. It has played far more than Source Engine games for like 5+ years. Ever since steam went to Linux and the Unity engine became popular, compatibility problems became much less common even on new games. 2) If you are always going to rank playing games as more important than spyware, then you're an easy mark. If you aren't willing to make a few sacrifices to invest in your future, then…

Linux gaming is getting better and better. Yes, we have a few sacrifices to make in the form of not getting to play every mainstream title , but many of the ones worth your time have great Linux versions, and if not, they might run well in Wine. I wiped Windows nine months ago and installed Arch. The only things I missed were Dark Souls and Insurgency. I found out a week ago that Dark Souls runs like butter in Wine,…

Do you have any issues with drivers for things like mice, keyboards, joysticks?

I have a RAT5 mouse and am X-55 Rhino HOTAS for Elite: Dangerous and as far as I am aware, there are no drivers for these under Linux.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by newman314 »

blibble wrote: post #73
newman314 wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How goes vt-d gaming? I was investigating if it was possible to pass through the igpu using VMware but never could get a straight answer.

I've had two problems: crackling audio and NVIDIA's driver coming up with strange errors. the former was fixed by buying a cheap PCI-E soundcard and passing it through (line-in'ed to the primary soundcard), and the latter by twiddling some QEMU flags, as NVIDIA want you to buy the $4000 quadro... my next card will be AMD, who don't do this sort of BS. now it's all sorted it works like a dream, you wouldn't know it's…

Cool. Do you have a writeup of your setup somewhere? Maybe I'll investigate this more over Christmas break.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by sp332 »

Pharaoh2 wrote: post #69
marssaxman wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the perspective of a person whose standard for an operating system is "zero invasion of privacy", there's nothing particularly inflammatory about the article. It's fine if your expectations are less rigorous; you simply aren't part of the article's intended audience.

I know ubuntu, osx and windows 7 phone home for certains scenarios. Until you are running some *BSD box, you aren't getting that "zero invasion of privacy", you just think you are.

It's possible to disable tracking on all of those though.

Re: Microsoft Admits Windows 10 Automatic Spying Cannot Be Stopped

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Post by sp332 »

yuhong wrote: post #72
Pharaoh2 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know ubuntu, osx and windows 7 phone home for certains scenarios. Until you are running some *BSD box, you aren't getting that "zero invasion of privacy", you just think you are.

The browsers do so too BTW. Win7's telemetry settings was very different, but yes CEIP dates back to even Office 2003.

CEIP was always opt-in before.
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