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Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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Re: Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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In other news: Top 1% singers better than the remaining 99%. Top 1% sprinters better than the remaining 99%. Top 1% producers better than the remaining 99%. Where's the surprise here? It's a variation of Sturgeon's Law. EDIT: the top 1% of wealthy americans are better producers than everyone else, yes. They are not better people than everyone else, no. How is this so hard to understand to HN-level people?

So you posit that the top 1% of wealthy americans are "better" than everyone else?

Re: Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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I think the Guardian article meant that they had subtracted debt from assets, but they stated it in a confusing way. The original report states: Once debts have been subtracted, a person needs only USD 3,210 to be among the wealthiest half of world citizens in mid-2015. However, USD 68,800 is required to be a member of the top 10% of global wealth holders, and USD 759,900 to belong to the top 1%. Which is more clearl…

Yes, I believe you're correct. Holy crap is that a terrible way to put it. I wouldn't call "excluding debt" confusing, but just outright wrong. Unless this is one of those dialect things that means something different to the Brits?

More of an accounting/finance thing, similar to how net price is price excluding tax, net wealth is wealth (assets) excluding debt (loans/liabilities).

Re: Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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Who are you to decide who needs what?

The majority of citizens in a democracy decide what the economic rules are.

The US Constitution has been designed to minimise the effect of majority rule. It often takes a hyper majority to get populist laws enacted. The resistance is the strongest in the Senate.

Re: Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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Who cares about socialist propaganda like this? There is no evidence that "equality" in the distribution of wealth is good for middle class and low income persons. For example, if the distribution were more equal on a relative basis, but all brackets had less money than before, is that supposed to be an improvement?

Hear, hear! Let them eat cake!

Someone might get "shortened a little bit". Apologies to Alan Sherman

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It only shows lots of correlations. The real problem might just as well be obesity, teenage births, imprisonment, educational performance or drug use. If inequality is just one of the symptoms and not the real devil, then eradicating inequality would probably be rather destructive. Just like eradicating drug use seems to be destructive, because the underlying cause is mental problems.

Correlations are evidence.

Correlation is not causation.

Re: Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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"The report shows that a person needs only $3,210 (£2,100) to be in the wealthiest 50% of world citizens. " Prices between country are adjusted to Power parity purchases (PPP)

This reasoning is flawed. It depends what your cost of living is in the region of the planet you call home. Yes, I suppose you could move to a lower cost of living region, but there are issues with that as well (Oppressive government, Lack of hospitals, Sanitation, no English speakers, etc.)

Re: Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The majority of citizens in a democracy decide what the economic rules are.

You say democracy, I say "mob rule".

Lots of countries to pick from if you don't like how yours is governed. Vote with your feet if you want to leave, or with your time if you want to stay and change the system. I vote with my time and (more so) my dollars.

Re: Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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Who cares about socialist propaganda like this? There is no evidence that "equality" in the distribution of wealth is good for middle class and low income persons. For example, if the distribution were more equal on a relative basis, but all brackets had less money than before, is that supposed to be an improvement?

I would prefer HN to be a place where things like "socialist propaganda" aren't thrown around so loosely. Thanks.

I'd prefer a world where propaganda wasn't mistaken for journalism. I think it's important to label things what they are. Why is this piece propaganda? Because it presupposes a solution for a perceived problem and appeals to the popular. The problem is that the middle class and poor feel like they are struggling. But that's not what this piece says, it simply says that some people have more. Some people have too much. Way too much. It implies that the solution is to "fix" the income of the people that have "too much". See?

Re: Top 1% now owns more of the wealth than the remaining 99%

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Who cares about socialist propaganda like this? There is no evidence that "equality" in the distribution of wealth is good for middle class and low income persons. For example, if the distribution were more equal on a relative basis, but all brackets had less money than before, is that supposed to be an improvement?

While the study in the OP is poorly done.. > Who cares about socialist propaganda like this? Discussing inequality in society isn't "socialist propaganda". > There is no evidence that "equality" in the distribution of wealth is good for middle class and low income persons. https://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/... > The evidence suggests that the channel through which inequality hurts growth is…

You are right, a discussion of inequality would not be propaganda. But this piece presupposes a solution for a perceived problem and appeals to the popular without supporting its conclusions. The Guardian has a long history of leftist puff pieces. Let's not pretend they are fair and balanced.
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