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Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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Android 6.0 has the functionality you describe - there's a warning if you try to disable it for certain apps (presumably for older API levels) though that it may cause them to crash. I imagine this'll go away with time.

Good to hear. Too bad one usually has to buy a new device to get an update.

One does? Hasn't been an issue yet on my almost 2 years old (so, 2 major-revision updates) nexus 5 yet.

Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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This seems to be kicking up a fuss over nothing, and any controversy disappears once you read how to use the feature in question: Using your microphone and music apps lets you share the TV and music you’re currently playing to your posts. To identify and share what you're listening to or watching: 1. Tap Status on your News Feed or tap Write Post on your Timeline. 2. Wait for us to identify what you're listening to o…

So, without opt-in, they record, upload, and match the content of my conversations, without previously getting consent from all parties that might have been involved?

Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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post #72

This seems to be kicking up a fuss over nothing, and any controversy disappears once you read how to use the feature in question: Using your microphone and music apps lets you share the TV and music you’re currently playing to your posts. To identify and share what you're listening to or watching: 1. Tap Status on your News Feed or tap Write Post on your Timeline. 2. Wait for us to identify what you're listening to o…

So, without opt-in, they record, upload, and match the content of my conversations, without previously getting consent from all parties that might have been involved?

>So, without opt-in

From the article: "If you choose to turn on this feature..."

Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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This seems to be kicking up a fuss over nothing, and any controversy disappears once you read how to use the feature in question: Using your microphone and music apps lets you share the TV and music you’re currently playing to your posts. To identify and share what you're listening to or watching: 1. Tap Status on your News Feed or tap Write Post on your Timeline. 2. Wait for us to identify what you're listening to o…

The fuss is about the data sent to Facebook's servers for "identification". You can make the decision to post it or not, but Facebook knows it in either case.

>The fuss is about the data sent to Facebook's servers for "identification". You can make the decision to post it or not, but Facebook knows it in either case.

But it's OK for Shazam or Soundhound?

At which point is a feature just what it says on the tin?

Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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Is it just me or is it _beyond_ creepy ? Location, sound ... soon they will be collecting biometric data as well, "just to get room temperature, promise".

Look, I know that nowdays it's popular to pay attention to security and privacy, and I understand that it's important. But can we for once not immediately assume ill intentions? I mean come on, do you seriously believe that programmers at facebook are rubbing their hands and laughing at how smart they are, figuring out how to turn on your mike for 15 seconds? Is that really what you believe is going on? Or is it just…

>But can we for once not immediately assume ill intentions?

Sure, but what if we're wrong? Once Facebook and it's advertisers have access to this information there's no way to be sure that they've deleted everything, just because you asked nicely.

When it's impossible to undo an action it's best to proceed with caution.

Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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post #72

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So, without opt-in, they record, upload, and match the content of my conversations, without previously getting consent from all parties that might have been involved?

>So, without opt-in From the article: "If you choose to turn on this feature..."

You choose to turn on the feature.

The people around you have no choice at all if they are recorded or not.

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>So, without opt-in From the article: "If you choose to turn on this feature..."

You choose to turn on the feature. The people around you have no choice at all if they are recorded or not.

>You choose to turn on the feature.

>The people around you have no choice at all if they are recorded or not.

How's that different to literally any application that sends microphone recordings across the 'net?

Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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Look, I know that nowdays it's popular to pay attention to security and privacy, and I understand that it's important. But can we for once not immediately assume ill intentions? Not really. If I find it important to mention what I am watching or listening too, I can add it myself. Obviously, the goals is not surveillance, since 15 seconds would be a too small amount of time. The goal is getting an even more fine-grai…

I see your point, it's just.... Sometimes people do things simply to add a nice convenient feature. People distrust big corporations, and that makes sense to a degree. But if I imagine a team of programmers that work on that stuff, when I visualise actual human beings that make the decisions, I have very hard time believing that this is the kind of thoughts that go through they heads. Sure, maybe there's some manager…

The thing I think you are missing is that once the feature exists, it can be misused, even if unintentionally by Facebook. A malicious employee could abuse their trusted position, a government level actor could intercept the transmission, a hacker could break in and dump them, etc. These are all very real scenarios that have happened before.

Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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>So, without opt-in From the article: "If you choose to turn on this feature..."

You choose to turn on the feature. The people around you have no choice at all if they are recorded or not.

How is this different from Shazam? I don't think very many people are paranoid about their conversations being recorded when someone in a bar holds up their phone to identify what's playing.

Re: Facebook is able to identify music and TV when writing status update

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Look, I know that nowdays it's popular to pay attention to security and privacy, and I understand that it's important. But can we for once not immediately assume ill intentions? I mean come on, do you seriously believe that programmers at facebook are rubbing their hands and laughing at how smart they are, figuring out how to turn on your mike for 15 seconds? Is that really what you believe is going on? Or is it just…

I don't believe the programmers at Facebook have evil intentions - I think they're just trying to build something that's technically cool. The problem is the MBAs will trying to build something businessy out of it and won't care whether it requires evil if it might possible make them some money. There can also be a temporal factor. Today there might be no evil intentions but in a couple years someone might find that…

So you think the engineers are innocent and altruistic, and the MBAs are evil, huh?

What an incredibly naive viewpoint. Which one is Mr. Zuckerberg? I recall him have a few choice words for the "suckers" who sign up for his service and hand over their data.

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