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Re: Dell, EMC, HP, Cisco are the walking dead

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Oracle is not quite as fucked as everyone else on the rest of the list. Oracle has the benefit of offering products that solve very real, very complex business problems: they aren't selling technology infrastructure. Oracle's core products are largely around financial and operational automation, and they are well understood by integrators across many industries. Their biggest threat is something like Salesforce -- bu…

The real reason Oracle is still making money (though never nearly as much as analysts forecast) is none of the above. It was mentioned in the article and has been discussed here many times in the past as well. For example, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10207495 and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9953657 . Oracle's sales force is trained to use "license audits", threats of same, and various forms of bundl…

You're right about their sales practices -- and I've got more than one client who are slowly ripping out every Oracle product they have as a result. Oracle treats enterprise software sales like it's still the 90s, but in a lot of their markets there is no other serious vendor.

Oracle makes the majority of their money off of industry-function-specific ERP software that runs on top of their database platform. That's a market that's very hard to disrupt or displace, because you have to develop deep domain expertise in dozens of different industries and functions. Their technology platform licenses often sneak in the back door -- the customer wants the solution, and if they have to pay for the DB as part of the solution, then it's just part of the price.

Re: Dell, EMC, HP, Cisco are the walking dead

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So two things: 1. Cloud providers are making it easy for legacy businesses to take baby steps. You don't have to use a NoSQL solution with AWS Dynamo, you can use Postgres with RDS. Or if you're hyper-conservative/stuck with legacy stuff, you can run Oracle with RDS. Or get an EC2 instance and install your own personal copy of Oracle on it. You don't have to jump to full modernity right away, you can take the easy wi…

Or get an EC2 instance and install your own personal copy of Oracle on it. Good luck with the licensing for running Oracle on an EC2 instance. How many different cores will Oracle potentially be running on? Thousands with the way EC2 works. Just wait till Oracle does an audit and watch your back licensing fees skyrocket. But don't worry! There's a way out. Just move it all to Oracle's new in house cloud. They'll even…

That's why AWS launched dedicated instances, pretty much for exactly this use case.

https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-ec2-dedicated-instan...

:)

Re: Dell, EMC, HP, Cisco are the walking dead

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So two things: 1. Cloud providers are making it easy for legacy businesses to take baby steps. You don't have to use a NoSQL solution with AWS Dynamo, you can use Postgres with RDS. Or if you're hyper-conservative/stuck with legacy stuff, you can run Oracle with RDS. Or get an EC2 instance and install your own personal copy of Oracle on it. You don't have to jump to full modernity right away, you can take the easy wi…

Working at real scale, I'd choose some cages in a datacenter I can walk in and place offices at over AWS anytime. Btw you'd cry if I were allowed call out some companies that still run lotus notes.

This makes no sense.

How many Amazon, Google or Microsoft engineers (or even SREs) have ever set foot in one of their datacenters.

Hint: the answer is basically none.

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