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Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by abiox »

toyg wrote: post #59
KirinDave wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not really Google's fault that Code was not a successful product, other than that they simply didn't have the energy/budget/will to actually make it a competitive product with Github.

Saying Google "doesn't have the budget" to do something is fairly preposterous, tbh. I can understand that they were wrong-footed by the rise of Github; Code was built to compete with Sourceforge, when GH didn't even exist. From day 1 though, it was clear that Code wasn't even "better enough" to actually kill SF for good; further development was incredibly slow. When Github hit their stride, Google reacted by just gi…

well, google isn't a small business, where "the budget" can be synonymous with "the bank account(s)". like many (all?) large businesss, things are organizationally regimented into units (and sub-units, etc), and budgets are allocated toward each unit.

so while "google" might have funds, the "google code development team" may have a very tiny allocation.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by markvdb »

hyyypr wrote: post #44
markvdb wrote: post #12

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I normally am quite reserved about language use, but comparing google to OVH? Seriously? OVH is a dysfunctional company that somehow turns a profit. We almost lost our company's domain name twice due to their incompetence.

Please, make your contribution worth something by explaining your issues with OVH. I've been a very happy customer for years now.

We paid OVH for the renewal of our company's domain name several weeks before its expiration. This domain hosted our google apps for business and more. We received an invoice and bank statements for that. OVH never renewed with the registry.

We only got to know about this because of a standard email warning from the country's registry (not OVH as a registrar) itself about quarantaine and expiry!

We spent over eight hours over several days talking to OVH. I have been able to verify that the problem was on the side of OVH only, and not on the registry's side at all.

In the end, we made a direct payment to the registry to make sure the domain was not deleted.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by wstrange »

acdha wrote: post #61
plonh wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What to all those free consumer services that you don't pay for and and aren't connected to things you pay for have in common?

Google refused to allow you to pay for them? Each of those services could trivally have had some combination of ads and paid services but Google's management made strategic decisions to put resources elsewhere. Only using paid services up front might seem to help but one look at the way Google Apps has been in maintenance mode for years suggests that even that offers only limited protection.

Realistically, how many people would have paid for something like Google Reader after getting it for free for so many years? I think it would be a tough sell and you would have witnessed a lot of complaining...

On the other hand, the negative PR they have gotten from Reader (it's pretty much the poster child for the "Google cancels products" meme) - they probably should have kept it around, even if it was not strategic.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by punteney »

Wonnk13 wrote: post #32

Coming from an AWS shop, I guess I don't understand the use case(s) for this. What this enable me to do that I couldn't accomplish by ssh'ing to any of the boxes in my environment?

Another benefit is it's great for doing tutorials or to use when teaching a class. Instead of having to get all the tools and libraries installed locally on everyone's laptops people can just login to the console, fire up the shell and everyone will have the same base environment configured and ready to go.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by yo-code-sucks »

KirinDave wrote: post #47
Wonnk13 wrote: post #32

Coming from an AWS shop, I guess I don't understand the use case(s) for this. What this enable me to do that I couldn't accomplish by ssh'ing to any of the boxes in my environment?

I use AWS extensively as well, but really like this product plan. Ultimately what AWSClassic does is give you a lot of baremetal boxes to drop AMIs on. Google's changing that to the containerized model by offering direct services that are scheduled on hardware. As Kubernetes becomes more and more the primary method for deploying apps on Google's managed services, this approach will pay off more. But it's worth nothin…

Even experienced AWS users have trouble getting VPCs right given the state of the current documentation.

No, no we don't. It's quite easy, and usually it only takes us a few minutes.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by brohoolio »

I've been pushing my current company towards Google cloud because of the billing. Sure AWS is great with reserved instances etc but in our environment I don't know what we will look like 6 months from now in terms of instances. With Google we'd be burning way less cash with our 100 or so instances.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by kookiekrak »

miles932 wrote: post #70
kaa2102 wrote: post #57

My company is launching a new web design and development service using Google Cloud services. Initially, this was an experiment because we received some Google Cloud hosting credits. We run LAMP (Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP) stacks on virtual machine instances on servers worldwide of our choosing. After Google I/O, some webinars and testing I learned about how quickly new websites and apps could be deployed, Google DNS fo…

disclaimer: I work at GCP That is rad! Anything we can do to help? Link to the company?

slightly unrelated, is there any way you guys could add the ability to create multiple instances with the same settings using the web interface?

I'm able to do it on aws but with google cloud I have to either run the command line or manually start every instance

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by acdha »

wstrange wrote: post #73
acdha wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google refused to allow you to pay for them? Each of those services could trivally have had some combination of ads and paid services but Google's management made strategic decisions to put resources elsewhere. Only using paid services up front might seem to help but one look at the way Google Apps has been in maintenance mode for years suggests that even that offers only limited protection.

Realistically, how many people would have paid for something like Google Reader after getting it for free for so many years? I think it would be a tough sell and you would have witnessed a lot of complaining... On the other hand, the negative PR they have gotten from Reader (it's pretty much the poster child for the "Google cancels products" meme) - they probably should have kept it around, even if it was not strateg…

I'm pretty sure anyone working at Google knows how to put ads on a free service but in any case, I saw a lot of people calling for a paid option in the period between the de-featuring for the botched Google+ roll-out and actually closing the service down. That would have been a natural approach: free version has ads with some sort of “Pro” option to remove them.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by antaviana »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #67
kaa2102 wrote: post #57

My company is launching a new web design and development service using Google Cloud services. Initially, this was an experiment because we received some Google Cloud hosting credits. We run LAMP (Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP) stacks on virtual machine instances on servers worldwide of our choosing. After Google I/O, some webinars and testing I learned about how quickly new websites and apps could be deployed, Google DNS fo…

Does AWS not offer customer service for billing issues?

Yes, it does. I had a question about a billing item and they answered a few days after.

Re: Google Cloud Shell

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Post by [deleted] »

ChristianBundy wrote: post #54
KirinDave wrote: post #49

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Google drops ONE service people really used and now discontinuing anything outdated is "pulling a google." Yeesh!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Google_products#Discon... Let's not pretend that there was only one "really used" service they pulled. At Google's scale, every service is "really used".

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