Google is not even the most popular search engine in Russia. This is why Russian courts are commonly considered a running joke.
or your reading comprehension is very poor, it is about Android monopoly(86%) being abused to promote search.
Google Found Guilty of ‘Abusing Dominant Market Position’ in Russia
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#72Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I'm talking about being able to buy a computer from a manufacturer without having to pay $99 for an installation of Microsoft Windows that I explicitly do not want. You can. You are not limited to specialty outfits as well, nor are you required to pay a lot for it, or any of the other numerous criteria you try to add on as well. Being able to buy a PC without paying for Windows or paying for an Apple product is inc…
No, you are shoehorned into buying a very specific model. It should be no problem whatsoever to choose any model on that site, and select "Ubuntu" for the OS, but you can't. If you go and look (and here I mean actually go and look[0]), the vast majority of machines that you can buy do not have the option to not pay for a Windows license. The choice you get is "Windows 8.1 or Windows 10". [0] http://www.dell.com/us/p/…
that is a choice Dell has made based of customer demand, sales and is no longer forced by MS to do so. MS tried this in 90s and it was major issue in the antitrust investigation
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#73It's time for Google to close Android and quit dealing with this bullshit. If you want Android, buy a Google phone with Google Apps and Services and get all your updates directly from Google in a timely manner.
monopoly abuse law will still apply, unless this move substantially remove the marketshare of Android.
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#74And how much has 'Yandex', whatever that is, contributed to Android? Android exists and is relatively free (as in beer and speech) because it drives traffic to Google. If you don't like it, write your own mobile operating system from scratch (good luck). Edit: actually, they'd only need their own app store if I understand the terms correctly.
Despite being open source, Google does not really accept submissions of code from third parties. Yandex does in fact have their own app store, but many apps are only published on the Google Play Store.
> Despite being open source, Google does not really accept submissions of code from third parties.
Source for this?
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Please explain how their direct competitor should be entitled to piggy back on that work" Nobody forced Google to release Android under open licenses and by doing so they certainly didn't get green light to abuse monopoly. "I will open source my software and see that it only does me good" - that's not how it works.
Sure, Android was released under open licenses and Yandex is free to use it. However, Play Store is not open source or released under an open license so if you want to use Android to spread your crapware you don't get to complain that Google doesn't want to license you their app store. They have no moral ground to stand on.
"you don't get to complain that Google doesn't want to license you their app store"
Did they?
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#76GNU Emacs also abuses its dominant position in the editor market by shipping all this bundled Lisp code. Over twenty years ago I was a making killing, hand over fist, selling a Usenet news reading add-on for Emacs. Then those anti-trust bastards included some Lisp code which does that, and I went down the tubes. I mean, what gave them the right , you know? It's as if not only did they disrespect my sense of entitleme…
I'm assuming this is a sarcastic post. It's an interesting thought experiment to extrapolate antitrust ideas onto free software. If Linux grew big enough could it attract antitrust lawsuits despite not being the product of any single company? My first impression was to draw the line at organizations that make money, but that leaves the possibility for free software growing so big as to hinder progress, which isn't ne…
Looking at antitrust law I can't find a single phrase that would cover a scenario with free software. Could the linux project sell products at a loss? The linux project do not actually sell anything beyond brand merchandise (and they got state approved monopoly on that). People have argued (but never in court) that giving away software is price dumping but since you don't incur a marginal loss it do not match any current law that I have seen.
Can the linux project do exclusive dealing? I guess one could argue that the linux project did buy exclusively buy from BitKeeper, but defining that as an "supplier" seems to stretch the definition beyond nonrecognition.
Free software and open source licenses specifically forbids Refusal to deal, price fixing, and tied offering. You can't violate the law here without also infringing people's copyright.
Can linux project divide territories with other kernel projects? In theory they could do so if they offered support contracts but not by simply producing software. What would define a territory in the context of publicly offering free software to anyone?
Re: Google Found Guilty of ‘Abusing Dominant Market Position’ in Russia
#77Google is not even the most popular search engine in Russia. This is why Russian courts are commonly considered a running joke.
or your reading comprehension is very poor, it is about Android monopoly(86%) being abused to promote search.
Well, I wasn't able to read the entire article since it's behind the paywall, but I'd be surprised if Android market share is this high in Russia. iPhones are quite popular here as well.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
But, Google isn't the dominant Search engine in Russia. Yandex is.
It's not a search monopoly, it's an Android monopoly. And they're abusing that monopoly to increase their market share in search. You're looking at the wrong monopoly!
They cant have a monopoly on their own product, thats ludicrous.
'apple has a monopoly on the iphone'
'GM has a monopoly on cadillac'
'BMW has a monopoly on the 3-series'
Of course they have a 'monopoly' on android, android is their product. Android has captured 64%[0] of the smartphone market in russia, this is again not a monopoly. A monopoly would capture 100% of the market, thats the definition of a monopoly.
I'm eager to hear what market Google has captured 100% of, because its not search or smartphones
[0]http://www.statista.com/statistics/262174/market-share-held-...
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#79Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, you are shoehorned into buying a very specific model. It should be no problem whatsoever to choose any model on that site, and select "Ubuntu" for the OS, but you can't. If you go and look (and here I mean actually go and look[0]), the vast majority of machines that you can buy do not have the option to not pay for a Windows license. The choice you get is "Windows 8.1 or Windows 10". [0] http://www.dell.com/us/p/…
that is a choice Dell has made based of customer demand, sales and is no longer forced by MS to do so. MS tried this in 90s and it was major issue in the antitrust investigation
... And clearly today, as well.
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"'Yandex', whatever that is" - Yandex is a $10B public company, a legitimate innovator and the top internet player in Russia. Ever heard of that country, or is it yet another "whatever that is" for you?
If they were so great they wouldn't have to force themselves onto consumers by bundling their crapware into carrier sponsored phones. Not to mention $10B is probably less than the amount Google alone has spent developing and promoting Android. Please explain how their direct competitor should be entitled to piggy back on that work for free. Edit: apparently they even have their own 'Yandex Browser' based on Chromium.…
Ignoring other things, there is no shame in forking and developing an Open Source project on one's own (license permitting, which the Chromium's BSD license does). That's the whole purpose of Open Source projects.