We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent • Hacker News Board

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by Retra » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 10:17 PM UTC

jedisct1 wrote: post #64

cwyers wrote: post #50

> We believe that cloud computing is an amazing technology and that everybody should be able to benefit from its advantages. That's why we decided to reduce the price of the C1 Am I the only person who is turned off by that kind of marketing copy? You lowered prices because you thought you could sell more nodes, gain economy of scale, serve as a loss-leader, your costs went down, something. You didn't lower the price…

Prices are going down, and people complain. Go figure.

Are you interested in buying products from disingenuous people? There's more to a purchase than the price.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by _delirium » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 10:19 PM UTC

ersoft wrote: post #65

weddpros wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But... Scaleway is a spinoff of Online.net which offers fine (and cheap) dedicated Intel servers. I don't know (yet) the ping between Scaleway and online.net but it's probably low enough to allow scaling "workers" on ARM servers, while DBs are kept on 64bits dedicated Intel servers. Also if you want to scale horizontally, you probably want to scale on more than one datacenter (online provides that too).

I have a running server at online.net (small personal tier, 8 core, 8gb RAM, 120gb ssd) [1] for 20euros/m running a CI server. I've spinned up a scaleway server and ping from online.net to scaleway or reverse is under 1ms (0.5-0.8ms) Also, they are offering VPC by default, the nodes seem to have only one network interface which defaults to private network, and external traffic is routed to private network with specif…

Regarding DDoS protection, if you scroll down on the Scaleway pricing page, there's an addon "Premium bandwidth with full DDoS protection" for €0.02/GB.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by tusbar » Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 11:18 PM UTC

cwyers wrote: post #50

> We believe that cloud computing is an amazing technology and that everybody should be able to benefit from its advantages. That's why we decided to reduce the price of the C1 Am I the only person who is turned off by that kind of marketing copy? You lowered prices because you thought you could sell more nodes, gain economy of scale, serve as a loss-leader, your costs went down, something. You didn't lower the price…

It’s a pretty common practice from Xavier Niel (founder of Illiad, Free and Online) to cut prices in half to win market shares and reduce prices from the competition. He’s done that multiple times now: Free (ISP), Free mobile (MNO), Online (dedicated servers).

It has worked every time and competitors followed by reducing their prices as well.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by cwyers » Thu, Sep 03, 2015, 2:30 AM UTC

mikeash wrote: post #55

cwyers wrote: post #50

> We believe that cloud computing is an amazing technology and that everybody should be able to benefit from its advantages. That's why we decided to reduce the price of the C1 Am I the only person who is turned off by that kind of marketing copy? You lowered prices because you thought you could sell more nodes, gain economy of scale, serve as a loss-leader, your costs went down, something. You didn't lower the price…

What's really odd is that if you take it at face value, the statement implies that they didn't care about helping people beforehand, or else the price would have been lower from the start.

That's amazing, I hadn't even noticed that before but now that you've said it I can't not see it.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by mikeash » Thu, Sep 03, 2015, 2:40 AM UTC

cwyers wrote: post #74

mikeash wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's really odd is that if you take it at face value, the statement implies that they didn't care about helping people beforehand, or else the price would have been lower from the start.

That's amazing, I hadn't even noticed that before but now that you've said it I can't not see it.

I'm glad I could, uh, help.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by vbezhenar » Thu, Sep 03, 2015, 7:01 AM UTC

That's very interesting. I wonder how those ARMs can deal with encryption (VPN). Also OpenBSD image or, better, ability to install anything from ISO would be very nice.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by speakeron » Thu, Sep 03, 2015, 8:01 AM UTC

tomjen3 wrote: post #40

lux wrote: post #4

This makes them very similar in price to Digital Ocean, even slightly cheaper. I wonder what the performance comparison would be between their equivalent tiers... Their S3-compatible object storage is also quite appealing. Being in North America though, I'd love if they had a data centre option here too.

They seem to provide much more memory at a slightly cheaper price, but given that it is arm I am not sure I care - can you run Ruby, Python and (Oracle) JVM? I really just wanted a cheap server for Minecraft.

I just ran up a Debian Wheezy instance and put Java 8 on it (jdk-8u60-linux-arm32-vfp-hflt.tar.gz from Oracle). It runs fine.

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by jedisct1 » Thu, Sep 03, 2015, 8:05 AM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #76

That's very interesting. I wonder how those ARMs can deal with encryption (VPN). Also OpenBSD image or, better, ability to install anything from ISO would be very nice.

Directly installing from an ISO image is unlikely to work, due to the NBD devices.

Changes might be backported to OpenBSD later, but Bitrig might be available soon: https://github.com/bitrig/bitrig/issues/65

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by dublinben » Thu, Sep 03, 2015, 1:48 PM UTC

Tinyyy wrote: post #33

I wonder if it is effective to run Tor nodes on this, given the unmetered bandwidth. I suspect that CPU is going to be a huge bottleneck here. Does anyone mind trying it out?

Don't bother trying to run an exit relay. The operators of the company will assume you're a terrible person and forward your information to law enforcement. [0]

[0] https://forum.online.net/index.php?/topic/4642-do-you-allow-...

Re: We are slashing the C1 price by 70 percent

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Post by azinman2 » Thu, Sep 03, 2015, 5:37 PM UTC

organsnyder wrote: post #38

azinman2 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have fantastic uptime on linode. Averages probably 9 months?

Is that just uptime as reported by the OS, or actual time between outages? The server can be happily churning away even if its network connection goes down. I've been on Linode for a while, and have also had a decent experience. However, I wouldn't use uptime as my only metric.

Actual time between outages.