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UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by Crusoe123 »

triceratops wrote: post #636
Crusoe123 wrote: post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Introducing a break for the sole purpose of more advertising time and therefore trying to extract more value from me as a consumer, is a huge issue. Probably no.1 systemic issue of our time, where on every corner and for every breathing moment someone is optimizing to extract ever more value from others. It is incessant and never stopping. It's exactly what enshitification is, people accepting these type of small cha…

> Introducing a break for the sole purpose of more advertising time... trying to extract more value from me as a consumer So turn your TV off. Cancel your subscription. Support your local league team in person. > Compared to this Balogun red card is a tiny issue. Strong disagree. The Balogun red card strikes at the very heart of fair competition within the game.

> So turn your TV off. Cancel your subscription. Support your local league team in person.

First of all I support my local team and go to almost every home game and a couple of away games each season.

But don't you see what you're providing as possible alternatives?

1. Stop following your national team which gave you huge joy in the past, and just not have that as part of your life. Why? Because of greed of others.

2. Go to live games, where ticket prices are gouged and the same extraction process happens. And hell even there you don't get to skip the hydration breaks magically.

In this case, my experience and something I care for is becoming shittier. And this is just a small example. It's happening in pretty much every facet of our environment. And why is it happening? Because of our economic system that rewards incessant greed and sociopathic behaviour.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by mcmcmc »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #417
mcmcmc wrote: post #396

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When’s the last time the US forcibly annexed land from a neighboring country? Crimea is Ukrainian

The US has used force to unilaterally remove two heads of state this year, and is enforcing a blockade on Cuba that is wreaking havoc in an attempt to remove a third head of state. That Russia is worse should not shield the US from criticism.

I don’t disagree, just responded to a whataboutism with another

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by TRiG_Ireland »

padjo wrote: post #340
TRiG_Ireland wrote: post #275

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Here to give you the occasional reminder that Irish people (sauf a few weirdos in Dublin) also call the sport soccer.

Most Irish people (save a few in Dublin) are basically Americans.

So you've not heard of Gaelic football?

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by scott_w »

nephihaha wrote: post #688
scott_w wrote: post #686

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> I don't live in England I can tell. > Maybe not yours. So why do you continue to talk about it? I know the history and it’s not relevant to my argument. > It's used this working class status thing to put down other sports. I’m not doing that, so it’s irrelevant to this discussion. > there were plenty of "gentleman amateur" This is the only part that’s relevant. It’s not a rebuttal because a small number of clubs do…

This claim that football has always been the "people's game" is in the end sanctimonious romantic nonsense. It's been run for profit all my lifetime, and is barely unaffordable for many people. SPL clubs are not cheap for season tickets either. A Hearts season ticket was at one point dearer than a Man U one. Which is ridiculous. I suppose the Jambos were desperate for the money. If we're talking about games out in th…

> This claim that football has always been the "people's game" is in the end sanctimonious romantic nonsense.

I never said that.

> If we're talking about games out in the park, then football is "part of a working class community"

I never said that though it’s true, it’s not necessary for my argument.

> Even if we go back a hundred years, the major clubs were owned by factory owners and other such types.

True but irrelevant to my argument.

> If you want working class football, then it's well outside the premier leagues and even first divisions. But unfortunately that's the stuff most people are interested in watching.

Modern day Premier League attendance is a mix, depends on the club and it’s harder to assess because the class makeup of the UK has changed a lot in the past 50 years.

> Anyway, I've probably written way too much on this subject.

You have, most of it total nonsense. Best you stop before you show yourself up even more.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by linhns »

mrandish wrote: post #298
shmuli9 wrote: post #16

About time Hard to think of a modern institution as corrupt as fifa. That may not bother too many people because it’s not their government, but I just think it stinks

> Hard to think of a modern institution as corrupt as fifa.

Doesn’t come remotely close

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by fifilura »

doomboiardee wrote: post #457
fifilura wrote: post #446

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What do you mean that "a state cannot exist without [corruption]"?

Assuming they meant it as in it's unavoidable. We should still be frustrated by it, but I think I get what they were getting at.

FWIW when i replied the OP was phrased differently. Like corruption had its place in a healthy society. But fine to rephrase, clearer now.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by anticensor »

ktallett wrote: post #6

The FA's worldwide don't need FIFA, they can set up a new world tournament. You will get a lot of poor nations who stick with FIFA for the cash but at the end of the day without European teams the world cup and FIFA will have minimal value. 5 of the last 6 world cup winners were european and it will only get more biased towards Europe. Argentina post Messi have no chance, and Brazil are the furthest away from winning…

You mean like ConIFA world cup?

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by dghlsakjg »

mcmcmc wrote: post #692
dghlsakjg wrote: post #417

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has used force to unilaterally remove two heads of state this year, and is enforcing a blockade on Cuba that is wreaking havoc in an attempt to remove a third head of state. That Russia is worse should not shield the US from criticism.

I don’t disagree, just responded to a whataboutism with another

I was responding directly to a question that you asked. Why in the world is that whataboutism?

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by aucisson_masque »

HelloMcFly wrote: post #631
aucisson_masque wrote: post #521

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We have been playing footbal as 2x 45 min for ever. Make it 4x 22 min and it's not the same game at all.

Given how the world is heating up and weather is getting more extreme, I think there has to be space for player welfare. That doesn't mean there aren't options for how to implement these things, but I don't think adding 2x 3-minute hydration break (for instance) transforms football into some unrecognizable bastardized version of itself provided the impetus is health and safety vs. economics.

They already play at the evening, and or in cooled stadium. Beside it's the same condition for both team.

Adding 2 more pauses is actually bastardizing football.

Re: UEFA and its national associations will not participate in FIFA competitions

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Post by triceratops »

alberto-m wrote: post #689
triceratops wrote: post #643

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The rulebook says the duration of half-time must be specified in competition rules and can be altered if the referee allows it. "Players are entitled to an interval at half-time, not exceeding 15 minutes; a short drinks break (which should not exceed one minute) is permitted at the interval of half-time in extra time. Competition rules must state the duration of the half-time interval and it may be altered only with…

What would be the purpose of the clause "not exceeding 15 minutes" then? The rule is clear: the competition can choose an inverval duration between 0-15 minutes, the referee can alter it inside that range (I've only ever seen it extended beyond that span for unplanned force majeure reasons like a storm). In any case it's clear that the WC referee had no role in the scheduling of those half-time antics.

> it's clear that the WC referee had no role in the scheduling of those half-time antics

Surely the ref had to rubber stamp it.

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