It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12 • Hacker News Board

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by mixmastamyk » Thu, Jun 04, 2026, 6:28 PM UTC

cromka wrote: post #688

mixmastamyk wrote: post #663

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That’s not what I want (rogue program swapping until disk full), nor do I think most people want. Current zswap+oomd behavior is the best choice imho.

> (rogue program swapping until disk full) OMG why do you keep on insisting on this? The point is you can run as many apps in the background and at no point will they get OOM-ed. This isn't about a rougue app, this is actually a very obscure reason to run out of memory! I get OOMed weekly on Asahi with 16GB only because my Brave/Chromium session grows too big. THIS NEVER HAPPENS ON MACOS. > Current zswap+oomd behavio…

Either the programs are operating normally, or they aren't. You don't get to pick and choose to suit your argument.

Above someone else is complaining about a browser on asahi. There's obviously a leaking problem but you are uninterested in solving it, just keep repeating "macos more advanced," which is not a useful argument.

The oomd memory pressure threshold is tunable, you know. So are browsers/plugins, etc. As I mentioned I've been using Linux and 16gb RAM since ~2010 and haven't had ooms in the last decade+ since firefox was overhauled.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by _hyn3 » Thu, Jun 04, 2026, 10:52 PM UTC

nickv wrote: post #629

_hyn3 wrote: post #185

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Only if you are solely an Apple user, because it's literally not a problem anywhere else. I've taken tons of photos of movies with my Pixels.

You have definitely not. Go ahead, try taking a screenshot of a movie playing on Netflix on your pixel right now.

I said movies. As in, the movie theater. I cancelled Netflix years ago.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by oliver66677 » Mon, Jun 08, 2026, 5:59 PM UTC

whimblepop wrote: post #83

I was seduced by Apple Silicon after experiencing the exceptional battery life and performance. Those things are great, as are the screens and the speakers. But I'm still excited about the Framework 12 because I don't love macOS. I don't need an alternative to beat Apple on every line of the spec sheet. I just need them to align with my values, support Linux well, and cross a certain "good enough" threshold. The late…

So it's reasonable to ask $300 extra dollar (on top of $500) for using the free linux over macOS? That must be a joke.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by someone1111 » Tue, Jun 09, 2026, 8:07 AM UTC

dbgobrrr wrote: post #540

I regularly follow Jeff Geerling's blog and I value his opinion (usually), and I understand his points - he does make very good points in this article. However, the conclusion really irked me: > As I mention in my video, the Framework 12 isn't a bad laptop, it's just a bad value, especially in comparison to the Neo. Saying it is bad *value* is off the mark completely. There is, unless you are willing to use MacOS (wh…

It's a terrible take and he absolutely exposed himself as an apple shill.

Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12

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Post by culi » Thu, Jun 11, 2026, 10:55 PM UTC

akkartik wrote: post #66

SoftTalker wrote: post #64

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I didn't watch the video but isn't the main selling point of the Framework line (from their website) "Designed for easy customization, upgrades, and repairs." I would imagine the Mac Neo is a sealed unit that you use as-is until it's e-waste.

It's actually not bad. The rhetoric has had an effect over the years. https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-r...

Sure, but a 6/10 for "the most repairable macbook in 14 years" is still a 6/10. Lenovo ThinkPads range from 8-10 and even the Microsoft Surface 7 got an 8