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Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by ErroneousBosh »

chillfox wrote: post #509
giancarlostoro wrote: post #441

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You don't even need to put it in a project, put it in all your blog posts as invisible (white font white background) text, and if Claude winds up reading your website as part of a research task, you basically bricked someone's Claude session. Why is it amateur hour at Anthropic lately?

Because AI is a new product category in tech, and every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, and so the dumb shit is repeated until they learn their own lessons. I am almost 40, and I have seen the same pattern play out several times now, it’s always the same.

I am a little over 50 and I have also seen the same pattern play out. It's incredible.

Lots of things were the Hot New Things That Will Change Everything, like VLIW processors, transputers before that, no doubt others. Perceptrons! Oh wait they can't do XOR functions, well how about Neural Networks? Too complex! Tell you what then, Fuzzy Logic, it'll power everything from washing machines to self-driving cars! Now we're at LLMs that are just neural network-powered Eliza bots that pirate everything like you did the week you first discovered Torrentleech.

Some things have stuck around, like OOP and RISC processors. Others like Quantum Computing are - like Iran's nuclear weapons program - just weeks away from blowing away everything we know, for the past 40 years or so.

Everything runs on relational databases on thumping great Unix boxes and that's unlikely to ever change.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by weiliddat »

somat wrote: post #676
raincole wrote: post #638

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People say that a mostly-vibed project will collapse under its own weight. I personally doubt it, but I will be amused if the first big one falls this way is Claude Code itself.

Unfortunately it will all probably sort of work, But best not to dwell too much on how the sausage is made, it is pretty unpleasant. There will be some interesting job titles in the future however. I just read Vernor Vinge's "A deepness in the sky" And the way he modeled their compute systems felt depressingly believable, they have thousand of years of libraries floating around, sort of loosely tacked together. and s…

> Unfortunately it will all probably sort of work, But best not to dwell too much on how the sausage is made, it is pretty unpleasant.

Interestingly, most long-running codebases are like that, no?

It's just that producing (incl. reviewing/testing and all those, even AI-assisted) that amount of code in a significantly shorter period of time highlights this discrepancy much more to us.

Boiling frog

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by KingMob »

pyridines wrote: post #526
seattle_spring wrote: post #423

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> The irony of course is that the way they've gone about reacting to this has damaged their brand so badly at the trust level that the public view of their company has completely flipped. No one at my company gives a single shit about Openclaw, so this whole situation has been a noop for a lot more of the public than you seem to think. Also, "censorship"? How is disallowing a specific tool that abuses a subscription…

'censorship' may be too strong a word, but there is something unprecedented about this. AI tools are supposed to be general-purpose and able to assist with all sorts of tasks. It's expected that they are restricted when it comes to "unsafe" content like illegal or nsfw information and activities. However, this is the first time, to my knowledge, that an AI tool has been restricted from assisting with something that's…

> this is the first time, to my knowledge, that an AI tool has been restricted from assisting with something that's perceived as a threat to the AI company

You think so? I was under the impression that all the model providers have been trying to prevent use of their models to train competitor models for a while now.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by joncrane »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #657
chillfox wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because AI is a new product category in tech, and every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, and so the dumb shit is repeated until they learn their own lessons. I am almost 40, and I have seen the same pattern play out several times now, it’s always the same.

> every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, I've worked in a bunch of industries and places over the years, and this is not just a tech thing. Like, there's a reason that saving a day in the library with a week in the lab is a pretty famous saying.

Nice saying. Another one I just remembered is "We don't have enough money to do it right, but we have enough to do it twice."

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by snarfy »

joncrane wrote: post #694
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #657

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> every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, I've worked in a bunch of industries and places over the years, and this is not just a tech thing. Like, there's a reason that saving a day in the library with a week in the lab is a pretty famous saying.

Nice saying. Another one I just remembered is "We don't have enough money to do it right, but we have enough to do it twice."

I just used this a few weeks ago, except it was time not money. And I'm on my fourth implementation because nobody wants to stop and actually have a plan.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by hrimfaxi »

tempaccount5050 wrote: post #592
ajam1507 wrote: post #529

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> I'm assuming they wouldn't do something like this unless the recent load issues (mostly driven by OpenClaw usage) were seen as an existential threat. I think another possibility is that they are trying to shift the burden of OpenClaw to their competitors.

I think this makes sense. I don't understand what problem OpenClaw is solving or what the use case is other than just burning a shit ton of tokens.

Openclaw is an always on AI assistant that's plugged into a bunch of MCPs. You don't understand what kinds of problems that can help solve and cant envision any use cases for that?

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by giancarlostoro »

joncrane wrote: post #694
disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #657

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, I've worked in a bunch of industries and places over the years, and this is not just a tech thing. Like, there's a reason that saving a day in the library with a week in the lab is a pretty famous saying.

Nice saying. Another one I just remembered is "We don't have enough money to do it right, but we have enough to do it twice."

Reminds me of the time a former employer which shall remain nameless paid a Senior Developer to spend an entire year coding something a $15,000 license from the maintainers of the original library would have given them. So lets spend 6 figures to save 15 grand or whatever.

This was a CTO burning funds, and that does not even cover the maintenance costs, especially as the original library changes and becomes drastically more modern.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by SkyBelow »

chillfox wrote: post #509
giancarlostoro wrote: post #441

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't even need to put it in a project, put it in all your blog posts as invisible (white font white background) text, and if Claude winds up reading your website as part of a research task, you basically bricked someone's Claude session. Why is it amateur hour at Anthropic lately?

Because AI is a new product category in tech, and every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, and so the dumb shit is repeated until they learn their own lessons. I am almost 40, and I have seen the same pattern play out several times now, it’s always the same.

What's the chance that it is market motivated? That the companies most likely to succeed are those willing to break the rules (this isn't to say that breaking the rules makes one likely to succeed, you have to break the right rules and not the wrong ones, and that distinction is often times unknown til after the fact).

This might mean that the companies that we see explode in popularity are those whose cultures are already biased in ways that don't consider negative outcomes, as the companies that did consider them already excluded themselves from exploding in the market (they might still be entirely successful startups, but at a vastly smaller scale of success).

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by pjc50 »

SkyBelow wrote: post #698
chillfox wrote: post #509

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because AI is a new product category in tech, and every single new product category in tech always, no exceptions, insists on learning nothing from history, and so the dumb shit is repeated until they learn their own lessons. I am almost 40, and I have seen the same pattern play out several times now, it’s always the same.

What's the chance that it is market motivated? That the companies most likely to succeed are those willing to break the rules (this isn't to say that breaking the rules makes one likely to succeed, you have to break the right rules and not the wrong ones, and that distinction is often times unknown til after the fact). This might mean that the companies that we see explode in popularity are those whose cultures are a…

It is absolutely market motivated, by the investor market. You can raise a great deal of capital by simply making exaggerated promises, then doing the minimum effort to just about achieve it.

Re: Claude Code refuses requests or charges extra if your commits mention "OpenClaw"

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Post by SkyBelow »

_ache_ wrote: post #668
waych wrote: post #341

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In the real world, leaving booby traps out that can harm others including the innocent are a liability and regularly a crime in itself. I wonder how long these sorts of games will play before the law applies itself.

I'm not leaving boody traps. I have the right to talk about OpenClaw or even to write the anti antropic string. I didn't delete you token usage or charge you extra boxes. Antropic did. If tomorrow Antropic decide to charge you extra if you interact with someone who talked badly about them, I'm still in my right to talk shit about them.

This is the same logic of 'not a booby trap' booby trap,s which sometimes do work out in the favor of the one setting them if they weren't too open about it. If your commit message is that you are talking about OpenClaw just to booby trap your repo, then I suspect it wouldn't fly, where as if you gave it some plausible deniability, a lawyer would be able to get any suit or charges dismissed.

This is all under the assumption we eventually live in a world where booby trapping repositories becomes a legal issue. On one hand that feels silly. On the other hand, we have had far less sensible cases make it to court and there is a small kernel of similarity which the legal system might latch onto.

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