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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by myaccountonhn »

lmm wrote: post #467
keithnz wrote: post #453

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the problem is, technically yes, they have a right, but their visa can be arbitrarily cancelled for very unspecified reasons, like the government not liking what you are doing and calling a potential security risk. This targeting of people, because they can, amazes me that Americans are so accepting of it. To me this says they'd do this to their citizens if they could. You already have the attack on birth right citiz…

IDK, I think "foreigners shouldn't be coming over here as guests and then trying to influence our politics" is a reasonable stance, and doesn't say anything about targeting citizens.

"Influencing our politics" is broad, but I do think foreigners should be allowed to organize strikes, or go to political rallies without risk of being deported.

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Post by Pay08 »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #169
drnick1 wrote: post #124

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That's what they said about Obama, but he got Iran to give up their stockpile of enriched Uranium, give up enrichment beyond 4%, and submit to a severe inspection program. All for unfreezing less money than Trump has spent so far on the Iran War, let alone the $200B that he wants, let alone the economic damage from the Hormuz shutdown, let alone the $5T that happened last time a Republican asked to spend $200B on a q…

> At the time, Israel whined incessantly about how Iran was going to secretly enrich anyway. But their own intelligence from compromising the enrichment program shows in hindsight that this was not the case and Iran was behaving themselves.

Then why wouldn't they submit to IAEA inspections?

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Post by Pay08 »

cnd78A wrote: post #380
kelnos wrote: post #256

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Good, there was nothing that needed confronting. Iran's regime sucked (still sucks), to be sure. This was frankly not all that much of an issue for the US. It was a big issue for other Arab nations in the area (not to mention for Israel), but I'm not sure why we should be doing their dirty work. If the end result of all this is a large weakening in Iran's regime, a reduction in Iran's influence in the region, and (ot…

"Iran's regime sucked" because they kicked out our western puppet? or is it because Iran is a a democracy, unlike "other Arab nations" (by the way iranian are as much arabs than you) or Israel ? (Note that I'm not fan of Iran culture, but I'm not fan of ingroup cultures either).

Out of curiosity, do you think North Korea is a democracy?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by Induane »

orbisvicis wrote: post #56

How was Amandla even identified? Stingray at the protest? Then how was the phone number linked to Google? Facial recognition at the protest? I guess his details are on file under terms of the visa? So then the government simply asks Google for all details on the individual by name? Either is pretty disturbing.

The only way to be vaguely safe is to disable or not bring a cellphone with you, travel to and from places in some form of disguise, and to pay with cash.

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Post by Induane »

orbisvicis wrote: post #604
thin_carapace wrote: post #507

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i mean proprietary baseband blobs already provide a back door , but does anyone have a reference for the perpetual ble broadcast ?

Yeah, but proprietary baseband blobs don't control power, right? So if I turn the phone off, the radio ought to be dead... fingers crossed.

Not entirely. An iPhone can be "located" with it's find-my-phone features even if powered off (on by default, I believe you can disable this feature). Even if you disable it, you are trusting that it isn't discoverable in some form.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

Induane wrote: post #694
orbisvicis wrote: post #56

How was Amandla even identified? Stingray at the protest? Then how was the phone number linked to Google? Facial recognition at the protest? I guess his details are on file under terms of the visa? So then the government simply asks Google for all details on the individual by name? Either is pretty disturbing.

The only way to be vaguely safe is to disable or not bring a cellphone with you, travel to and from places in some form of disguise, and to pay with cash.

And to not go in a vehicle with a license plate that is traceable to you.

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Post by mattmaroon »

Gareth321 wrote: post #663
thuridas wrote: post #625

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Does this administration care to much about the law? A judge can rule something but they mostly keep doing the same thing. Not to mention the supreme court that is willing to let this happen.

> Does this administration care to much about the law? As a European my opinion of Trump could not be any lower, but it is my understanding that they have complied with all court orders to date (with some being contested all the way to the Supreme Court). They are certainly testing the authority limits of various courts and congressional processes, but they have complied with all legal processes to date.

“All” might be a stretch but the idea that they just do what they want regardless of what the courts say is just incorrect propaganda. And continuing to find creative ways to defy court orders is something every administration does. And my opinion of the administration is low also, I just don’t like the propaganda and have never understood why we need to make up things about them when there’s so much to dislike that isn’t fictional.

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Post by intended »

ap99 wrote: post #660
intended wrote: post #640

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They pushed past the police cordon, nothing was broken physically / no property damage was caused. The link itself describes it as a disruption of the career fair.

If this person was on a visa, this is enough of an excuse to start looking at the fine print to see how I can get this person's visa revoked.

But that is not what is happening, and they have stated that they were at the event for a short period of time, quite possibly at the portion that didn’t occur inside the event.

The willingness to assume one version of events, and then go down that path to award consequences, is premature.

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Post by greenie_beans »

foobarchu wrote: post #406
drnick1 wrote: post #133

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This. The real solution here is to keep your data, encrypted, on your own devices. The idea that everything needs to be in the cloud is absurd and naturally leads to concentration of power.

That is A solution. To be "the real solution", it needs to be within the grasp of a regular person. Self hosting your entire digital life is absolutely asking too much of the vast majority of people This is like saying the real solution to bad practices of food companies is to exclusively grow your own food, or the answer to anti-repair practices is to only build your own devices, vehicles, etc. Contractors cut corne…

> This is like saying the real solution to bad practices of food companies is to exclusively grow your own food, or the answer to anti-repair practices is to only build your own devices, vehicles, etc. Contractors cut corners? Don't try to regulate, just learn carpentry, plumbing, and HVAC plus codes!

you're acting like these are bad or impossible skills to learn? these is just basic skills that people should have.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by Glemllksdf »

mattmaroon wrote: post #697
Gareth321 wrote: post #663

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> Does this administration care to much about the law? As a European my opinion of Trump could not be any lower, but it is my understanding that they have complied with all court orders to date (with some being contested all the way to the Supreme Court). They are certainly testing the authority limits of various courts and congressional processes, but they have complied with all legal processes to date.

“All” might be a stretch but the idea that they just do what they want regardless of what the courts say is just incorrect propaganda. And continuing to find creative ways to defy court orders is something every administration does. And my opinion of the administration is low also, I just don’t like the propaganda and have never understood why we need to make up things about them when there’s so much to dislike that…

Wasn't the tarrifs thing one of the things he did illegaly and thats why they are now getting paid back?

Whats with the documents he put in his toilet?

Destroying the east wing. Its too late now right but shouldn't he followed some procedure?

I probably have plenty other examples but thats probablyh enough to get more insight. For me these cases feel like a mix of certain other parts should have steped in but have been ignored by trump and instead of doing their job, they don't because they all are either afraid or just behind trump. If this is the case, it might not be illegal but whats the right word then?

For the tarrifs, it feels like it should be clear that the way they did it was illegal but the law is just slow and because again the other parts aren't complaining, its not as illegal as it should be?

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