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IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by 0x1ceb00da »

rbanffy wrote: post #105
glenstein wrote: post #34

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>Most US politicians are blackmailed via Epstein ??? Most? His network was certainly extensive but "most politicians" seems like a significantly overextended extrapolation.

I wouldn’t point to Epstein, but there is a very powerful lobby that will protect the image of any Israeli government. A lot of Evangelicals also consider Israel important in bringing about the apocalypse, without which they can’t access eternal life. I wish I was kidding on that last one, but there are people actively trying to bring down civilisation so they can go to heaven.

Need source for the last one?

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Post by tw1984 »

troupo wrote: post #273
ceejayoz wrote: post #127

I remember when folks here were shilling the "Israel promises they'd never bomb a hospital" and "Hamas is lying about the death toll" lines. All the hospitals are now rubble, and the IDF quietly let it slip that the death toll is legit recently. https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2026-01-29/ty-article/.p... There's damning video of this specific incident, recovered from the dead. I suspect subsequent massacres made…

Two things are valid at once: - Hamas is a terrorist organization that planned and executed a mass terror campaign, fully knowing and hoping for the reaction. And boasting about it continuously and repeatedly. - Israel's response was hasty, unplanned, purely driven by emotion at the beginning, and it quickly grew beyond any reason in the next weeks.

> and it quickly grew beyond any reason in the next weeks.

you still refuse to call it a crime against humanity? shame on you.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by assaddayinh »

kombine wrote: post #685
YZF wrote: post #667

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> That the anti-Israelis are going to latch on it as proof that Israel is evil is an unfortunate side effect. Defenders of Israel always try to put a label on us: anti-Semites, anti-Iaraelis etc. You are trying to make it seem like this was some kind of isolated incident, an unfortunate consequence of the war. It wasn't: Gaza is in ruins, Israel continues ethnic cleansing in West Bank all while gaslighting everyone w…

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Post by kombine »

throwaway3060 wrote: post #365
kombine wrote: post #355

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I personally raise awareness about Ukraine and Palestine in equal measure. But there is fundamental difference: Israelis will stop their violence on Palestinians the minute they lose support of the US and Europ, whereas the West doesn't hold the same leverage over Russia.

I disagree with many parts of this narrative, but even this fundamental hypothesis that Israel will just give up without Western support, that there is absolute leverage, I have no idea where it comes from or what evidence suggests this. If Israel feels they need to do this, they will just source supplies from somewhere else. And everyone will be worse off for it.

Israel couldn't even defend themselves against Iran missile attacks without US and UK stepping in. Israel wouldn't survive the the kind of sanctions the West imposed on Russia and should have imposed on Israel too.

Re: IDF killed Gaza aid workers at point blank range in 2025 massacre: Report

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Post by bawolff »

apexalpha wrote: post #71
Qem wrote: post #2

Full report: https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...

This is very thorough. Thanks for the direct link. The case seems pretty clear, especially since the soldiers tried to hide all evidence.

I think the only defense here would be if the soldiers came up with some reasonable explanation of why they thought the vehicles were hostile. Its kind of hard to imagine, especially with shooting the follow up vehicles, but motive seems like the only unclear part where there is any potential for a defense.

One part that is really confusing, is if they knowingly intentionally targeted the ambulance because they thought they could get away with it if they destroyed the evidence, why leave witnesses alive? If you assume the motive was an intentional massacare with point blank executions, it doesn't entirely make logical sense to leave witnesses.

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Post by bawolff »

austin-cheney wrote: post #144
ignoramous wrote: post #126

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> case seems pretty clear, especially since the soldiers tried Even if the 'soldiers' didn't, it wouldn't have mattered as the governing apparatus usually goes out of its way to protect their own militants. Ex A: Detainees executed, unarmed civilians killed in their sleep, a child, handcuffed and shot, all covered up by the chain of command – this is the testimony of more than 30 eyewitnesses, former members of UK Sp…

Yes and no. It does matter because it illustrates both malicious intent and evidence of guilt, as in the guilty party knew they were perpetrating a criminal action. However, you are also correct, the IDF has little or no accountability for criminal behavior.

> evidence of guilt, as in the guilty party knew they were perpetrating a criminal action.

That might be a little strong. A cover up can happen for other reasons than covering up crimes (for example covering up bad PR that doesn't raise to the level of criminality). It does seem like a crime is what happened in this case, but i don't agree with applying that logic in general.

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Post by lyu07282 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #375
guerrilla wrote: post #293

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> Hamas was insane to think that Bibi would NOT BOMB the Gaza in retaliation. My theory is that they knew this would happen and they did it because they knew it would garner support (which it did) and they also knew they had nothing to lose because this is what would have happened in the long-term anyway. They chose between a quick death and a slow death. Unfortunately, everyone else who originally chose them to prot…

Most people in Gaza now aren't old enough to have voted for Hamas. Median age is estimated to be under 20.

Doesn't matter, there is always going to be resistance against the occupation anyway, if it isn't called "Hamas" its going to be called something else. This is not an enemy they can ever defeat and people either know what that means or are too afraid to think that far. You just can't have other peoples land, you just can't, not without vaporizing (literally [1]) the people you took it from.

[1] https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2026/2/10/israel-used-wea...

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Post by nagaiaida »

TurdF3rguson wrote: post #681
Maxious wrote: post #670

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Civilian deaths have continued https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-01-31/israel-strikes-gaza-h...

That article says 30 deaths of "people" not civilians and that the strikes targeted commanders.

if the ceasefire only applies when targeting civilians, was agreeing to a ceasefire in the first place thus an admission of targeting civilians?

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Post by kombine »

Aloisius wrote: post #452
kombine wrote: post #233

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Only 5% of Israelis believe that IDF used too much violence in Gaza..

That's surprising low given 21% of the population are Israeli Arabs.

I should have clarified - that was from the polling of Israeli Jews: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-783849 94% of them believe IDF used appropriate amount of force or not enough of it.

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Post by dotancohen »

Aloisius wrote: post #452
kombine wrote: post #233

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Only 5% of Israelis believe that IDF used too much violence in Gaza..

That's surprising low given 21% of the population are Israeli Arabs.

I'm Israeli and I speak regularly with Arabs. Now mostly with Israeli Arabs but prior to October 2023 I spoke often enough with West Bankers.

Every Arab I've spoken with on the topic, states that Israel should have hit Gaza harder and sooner. That's from Arabs in the south (Bedouins) and along the coastal plain and Haifa ('48ers). The Israeli Arabs are more extreme in their viewpoint towards Gaza (not only Hamas) than are the Jewish Israelis.

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