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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by rglullis »

nerdjon wrote: post #637
rglullis wrote: post #632

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in many cases what you are specifically paying for is the combination of the software and the service that are designed to work together And in many cases like Claude Code and the Anthropic models, they can and do work perfectly independently. > True but the opposite is also true, just because you don't like the terms it does not make it illegal. This is not me "not liking it". Like I said somewhere else in this th…

What law is actually being broken in Brazil? Are MMO’s illegal in Brazil? Is PlayStation Plus illegal in Brazil? Is Spotify, Apple Music, etc etc etc also illegal in Brazil? It would be ridiculous to argue that I could pay for a subscription to World of Warcraft and make my own third party client to play the game with. (Obviously you are free to argue it all you want but I would be very surprised if this was actually…

> What law is actually being broken in Brazil?

"Tie-in sale": the business practice where a seller conditions the sale of one product (the tying good) on the buyer’s agreement to purchase a different product (the tied good).

The examples you are giving are not "tie-in" sales because the service from Playstation Plus, Spotify, Apple Music, etc is the distribution of digital goods.

> Unless I am mistaken Claude Code does not have a local model built into it, so it requires a server side component to work?

Which part are you not understanding?

I don't care about Claude Code. I do not want it and do not need it. All I care about is the access to the models through the client that I was already using!

> When it comes to “Claude Code” for all that we should care about, again given that “Claude Code” is what you are paying for.

No, it is not! I paid for Claude Pro. Claude != Claude Code.

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Post by kevstev »

dgdosen wrote: post #633

Is it me, or will this just speed up the timeline where a 'good enough' open model (Qwen? Deepseek? - I'm sure the Chinese will see a value in undermining OpenAI/Anthropic/Google) combined with good enough/cheap hardware (10x inference improvement in a M7 Macbook Air?) makes running something like opencode code locally a no brainer?

Personally I am already there- I go to Qwen and Deepseek locally via ollama for my dumb questions and small tasks, and only go to Claude if they fail. I do this partially because I am just so tired of everything I do over a network being logged, tracked, mined and monetized, and also partially because I would like my end state to be using all local tools, at least for personal stuff.

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Post by whiplash451 »

mmasu wrote: post #561
whiplash451 wrote: post #486

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> the barrier to entry to build a frontend gets lower My impression is the opposite: frontend/UI/UX is where the moat is growing because that's where users will (1) consume ads (2) orchestrate their agents.

I agree with you - we are saying the same thing, by restricting their API or making less developer friendly, they want you to be captive in their UI. This might not be true for Anthropic or OpenAI - another child commenter made a comment about ads in CLI, I would not be surprised if in a while we will have product placements in LLM responses exactly as we have it in movies - not a plain ad but just a slightly less su…

I don't think we'll get ads in the enterprise version. There will be ads for individuals and usual business pricing for businesses.

I just think that OAI/Anthropic will try to keep both types of users locked into their walled garden via the UI.

The APIs may have a future, but at our own peril and zero guarantees. It's a tool to create traction and demonstrate capabilities to devs.

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Post by imachine1980_ »

andersmurphy wrote: post #275
imachine1980_ wrote: post #139

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From what I understand, they make money per-token billing. Not enough for how much it costs to train, not accounting for marketing, subscription services, and research for new models, but if they are used, they lose less money. Finance 101 tldr explanation: The contribution margin (= price per token -variable cost per token ) this is positive Profit (= contribution margin x cuantity- fix cost)

Do they make enough to replace their GPUs in two years?

if 100% of the money they spend is in inference priced by tokens (they don't say about subscriptions so i asume they lost money), yes they make money, but their expenses are way higher than inference alone. so they can make the gpu cost if they sell tokens but in reality this isnt the case, becouse they have to constaly train new models, subscription marketing, R&D, And overhead. antropic in general lost way less money than their competitors i will take this number in particular the projected break even but googling say Gross margin in this case is how much money they do whit the GPU " Gross Margins: Projected to swing from negative 94% last year to as much as 50% this year, and 77% by 2028. Projected Break-even: The company expects to be cash flow positive by 2027 or 2028. "

i will not be as bullish to say they will no colapse (0 idear how much real debt and commitments they have, if after the bubble pop spending fall shraply, or a new deepseek moment) but this sound like good trajectory (all things considered) i heavily doubt the 380 billions in valuation

"this is how much is spendeed in developers between $659 billion and $737 billion. The United States is the largest driver of this spending, accounting for more than half of the global total ($368.5 billion in 2024)" so is like saying that a 2% of all salaries of developers in the world will be absorbed as profit whit the current 33.3 ratio, quite high giving the amount of risk of the company.

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Post by DefineOutside »

jspdown wrote: post #310

I pay a Max subscription since a long time, I like their model but I hate their tools: - Claude Desktop looks like a demo app. It's slow to use and so far behind the Codex app that it's embarassing. - Claude Code is buggy has hell and I think I've never used a CLI tool that consume so much memory and CPU. Let's not talk about the feature parity with other agents. - Claude Agent SDK is poorly documented, half finished…

I got so tired of cursor that I started writing down every bug I encountered. The list is currently at 30 entries, some of them major bugs such as pressing "apply" on changes not actually applying changes or models getting stuck in infinite loops and burning 50 million tokens.

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Post by xyzsparetimexyz »

bravetraveler wrote: post #611
andersmurphy wrote: post #467

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GPU bitcoin mining rigs had a high failure rate too. It was quite common to run at 80% power to keep them going longer. That's before taking into account that the more recent generations of GPUs seems to be a lot more fragile in general.

Mining rigs also used more milk cartons than datacenter racks; [hot/cold] aisles? No, piles! Not to mention the often questionable power delivery...

AI data centers are also incentivised to reduce costs as far as they can. They could absolutely be running them in questionable setups

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Post by andrewflnr »

jamiemallers wrote: post #629

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> The real value in these tools is not the model, it is the harness... And that is the part that is easiest to replicate.

> The companies that will win long-term are the ones building open protocols and letting users bring their own model.

These seem contradictory. It sounds like you're saying that the long term winners are the ones who do the easy part. The future I see is open source harnesses talking to commodity models.

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Post by chick3ndinn3r »

DefineOutside wrote: post #695
jspdown wrote: post #310

I pay a Max subscription since a long time, I like their model but I hate their tools: - Claude Desktop looks like a demo app. It's slow to use and so far behind the Codex app that it's embarassing. - Claude Code is buggy has hell and I think I've never used a CLI tool that consume so much memory and CPU. Let's not talk about the feature parity with other agents. - Claude Agent SDK is poorly documented, half finished…

I got so tired of cursor that I started writing down every bug I encountered. The list is currently at 30 entries, some of them major bugs such as pressing "apply" on changes not actually applying changes or models getting stuck in infinite loops and burning 50 million tokens.

I tried to have Cursor change a list of US States and Provinces from a list to a dictionary and it did, but it also randomly deleted 3 states.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by Ghost609 »

For what it's worth, I built an alternative specifically because of the ToS risk. GhostClaw uses proper API keys stored in AES-256-GCM + Argon2id encrypted vault -no OAuth session tokens, no subscription credentials, no middleman. Skills are signed with Ed25519 before execution. Code runs in a Landlock + seccomp kernel sandbox. If your key gets compromised you rotate it; if a session token gets compromised in someone else's app you might not even know.

t's open source, one Rust binary, ~6MB. https://github.com/Patrickschell609/ghostclaw

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