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Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

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Re: Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

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It's not that security is fake, it's that giving up liberty doesn't naturally produce more security, and pursuing greater liberty doesn't necessarily erode security either. It's not like pre-Revolutionary America was a notably secure place that inevitably see-sawed into a freer but insecure place afterwards.

As I said to the other respondent, I think it's important to justify the idea that both security and liberty can be achieved simultaneously.

Equally, the idea that there is a tradeoff in some particular situation is frequently asserted without evidence. The quote from the article is "It is always the case that there are benefits available from relinquishing core civil liberties."

That is 1) presented without evidence and 2) almost certainly false. It is not always the case.

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It's a false dichotomy. There are 4 options: 1. Don't give up liberty, give up security. 2. Give up liberty, give up security. 3. Give up liberty, don't give up security. 4. Don't give up liberty, don't give up security. Number 4 is completely possible. It's just that people in power don't like it because it means they have less power. They want to pretend that only options 1 and 3 are available and ignore that they…

Your argument is with GP who proposed that the security might be false. But I will say I don't think you should say "options," but rather "possibilities." "Options" implies that all four are actually available. I don't think you get to assume that 4 is possible without offering evidence.

It depends on context for sure. Without a specific case study you can't really say.

However, in general, they are not exclusive. This has been demonstrated fairly often. In fact, it is often the case that maximizing liberty leads to more security.

https://www.culturaldiplomacy.org/europeanamericanrelationsh...

https://www.securityanddemocracy.org/post/beyond-the-false-c...

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Probably, but I didn't dictate that comment.

No I meant on my end, sorry wasn’t trying to be rude to you. “I used voice to text and I should I’ve proofread it better” is what I was saying.

It’s proof reading all the way drown.

Re: Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

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No I meant on my end, sorry wasn’t trying to be rude to you. “I used voice to text and I should I’ve proofread it better” is what I was saying.

It’s proof reading all the way drown.

I sea.

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You can start by creating a email at tuta or proton. It does not have to be 100% overnight

Tuta is just horrible, often rejecting account creation altogether. AtomicMail.io is a nice free alternative to Proton.

What's nice about AtomicMail.io? I just tested it with https://www.emailprivacytester.com and it leaked my IP and when I read the email. And I can't even find an option to turn off remote content loading, which has been a standard feature of email and webmail clients for privacy reasons for decades, and should be turned to off by default.

Re: Amazon's Ring and Google's Nest reveal the severity of U.S. surveillance state

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Probably, but I didn't dictate that comment.

No I meant on my end, sorry wasn’t trying to be rude to you. “I used voice to text and I should I’ve proofread it better” is what I was saying.

Dammit, we got stuck in recursive ambiguity land :-)
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