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The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Re: The EU moves to kill infinite scrolling

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Post by baq »

throw0101c wrote: post #687
stingraycharles wrote: post #460

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Advertising = compensating someone to promote a product / company. It’s about the compensation. That makes it advertising. Regular booking.com is fine. Paying booking.com to allow your results to appear higher is not. Regular Google Maps to register your restaurant is fine. Paying Google Maps to promote your restaurant is not. It’s not that hard to implement. Advertising is pretty well defined.

> Advertising = compensating someone to promote a product / company. So basically all full-time Youtubers who do in-video ad reads, including, but not limited to: MKBHD, Linus Tech Tips, Veritasium, Smarter Every Day, minutephysics, Computerphile, Tom Scott, Patrick Boyle, The Plain Bagel, Sailing La Vagabonde, Sailing SV Delos, Gone with the Wynns, etc .

Pretty much

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Post by gpm »

andsoitis wrote: post #471
lcnPylGDnU4H9OF wrote: post #302

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Ostensibly not, if it is outlawed.

But under what principle would you allow advertising, in general, online? That seems like an arbitrary penalty. What harm is being prevented by banning advertising, in general?

Theft of attention. Your attention shouldn't be the website you visits to sell.

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Post by mdavid626 »

sbszllr wrote: post #565
shevy-java wrote: post #556

Personally I don't like infinite scrolling - but the EU also needs to stop wasting time and energy on trying to micro-manage everything. We already had that disaster where pop-ups fly out "do you want to accept those cookies". That is just a usability nightmare. People are forced into extensions, just to stop wasting their time here. Also, while I dislike infinite scrolling, why should the EU regulate the design of a…

> We already had that disaster where pop-ups fly out "do you want to accept those cookies". That is just a usability nightmare. People are forced into extensions, just to stop wasting their time here. You’re perpetuating a gross misunderstanding of the cookie law. What it states is different from how the advertisers implement malicious compliance to bias people, like yourself. Websites that implement basic functional…

Because the average person’s brain is fried by looking at infinite scrolling apps 6 hours a day.

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Post by ndriscoll »

mschild wrote: post #537
AlecSchueler wrote: post #532

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> gives poor people access to lots of shit that they otherwise wouldn’t have Addiction is a precursor to poverty. If we accept the domino theory of "online advertising -> addictive design" then the fundamental evil becomes clear. Holding people in poverty in order to profit from their time and attention.

But the most valuable ad targets are people with money unless my product specifically targets low-income individuals (pay day lenders, etc).

Most of the people I know with money are difficult to convince to spend it. e.g. rich people don't buy designer bags; poor people do. My wife makes all of our food; we do delivery or go out to eat maybe once every year or two. We have no recurring subscriptions (other than utilities). Our phone bill is $20 for both of us. etc.

We also live in an area where outdoor ads are banned (which tends to be the case in wealthy areas IME), and I block ads on our computers, so we rarely encounter them. Consumerism is gauche.

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Post by breezykoi »

seydor wrote: post #651
breezykoi wrote: post #586

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Chess is healthy you get to go outside and meet people to play with, engage in your local club. Some online platforms make the thing addictive.

most people play online tho

I'm not sure about that and if it is so, it's very recent. Playing online isn't bad and addictive per say I would argue though. My comment was more in response to someone who seemed to associate chess to the main online platform which to me, is using addictive patterns to some level.

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Post by nullderef »

mzhaase wrote: post #530
Frannky wrote: post #488

It's interesting how there may be an implicit assumption that imposing more rules on tech will lead to positive outcomes. From my perspective, technology is like reality itself: very difficult to control, with countless ways to achieve the desired result while circumventing the rules. And what's the actual result? Just look at the market capitalization of European companies compared to US companies... Or maybe it jus…

Instead of market capitalization, have you looked at comparisons for happiness?

Or even lifespan… It’s crazy that USA is so ahead in tech yet life expectancy is 78 versus 81 in Germany or 84 in Spain

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randomNumber7 wrote: post #561
MrScruff wrote: post #210

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I suspect there's not a huge amount of overlap between those who would like this banned and those who are targeted by it.

There is likely no overlap between software engineers and the people with below average IQ that the EU tries to protect from themself.

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mattlutze wrote: post #591
Frannky wrote: post #488

It's interesting how there may be an implicit assumption that imposing more rules on tech will lead to positive outcomes. From my perspective, technology is like reality itself: very difficult to control, with countless ways to achieve the desired result while circumventing the rules. And what's the actual result? Just look at the market capitalization of European companies compared to US companies... Or maybe it jus…

The regulatory frameworks in the EU are intentionally not designed like the US, to maximize company profits over e.g. human rights and health. It is thoroughly documented that social media and the modern web are designed to be addictive, by psychologists who specialize in this. We regulate access to other addictive things, because addictive things break humans' normal control systems. > "the farther you get from the…

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