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Discord will require a face scan or ID for full access next month

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Post by azernik »

bilekas wrote: post #403

When will it be normalized to be able to say "Parents should just be doing their job" before we decide to ruin everything online for everyone else. Although I know it's not really about protecting the kids. I wonder if the politicians are exempt from this too as they were chat control. > The scanning would apply to all EU citizens, except EU politicians. They might exempt themselves from the law under “professional s…

That article is making quite a stretch from "the laws have exceptions for intelligence agencies, police, and the military" to "EU politicians will use those exceptions for themselves". It does this with zero evidence.

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Post by zer0zzz »

jhasse wrote: post #588
tabbott wrote: post #430

I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…

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Why would you ask this?

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Post by jfengel »

alexfromapex wrote: post #274
pibaker wrote: post #209

It is a great irony that the heavy handed push for "protect da kids" is all happening while we learn, day by day, that the richest and most powerful members of our society have no problem hanging out with a convicted child sex trafficker. Rules for thee, free love for me.

People don't realize that all of our problems lately are stemming from lack of truly representative government. Until we find a way to ensure political candidates aren't corrupt and bought off, there will always be corruption, double standards, and lack of accountability from them.

If that were true, people would be unhappy with their representatives. For the most part they seem pleased with them. They think everyone else's representatives are corrupt, but in fact they are also doing what their constituents have told them to do.

The corrupt ones are us, the voters. We hate each other and send our Congresspeople to do as much damage as they can to the others.

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Post by direwolf20 »

Havoc wrote: post #634
pibaker wrote: post #209

It is a great irony that the heavy handed push for "protect da kids" is all happening while we learn, day by day, that the richest and most powerful members of our society have no problem hanging out with a convicted child sex trafficker. Rules for thee, free love for me.

> Rules for thee, free love for me. No, only one rule - kill internet pseudo anonymity because it’s dangerous in the same way as large gatherings are. The age circus is just convenient pretext / collateral damage depending on perspective When the Gen Z protests happened and internet was cut…wasn’t to protect innocent from porn

Discord aren't the good guys here. There are no good guys here.

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Post by wredcoll »

scotty79 wrote: post #679
tabbott wrote: post #430

I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…

It's kind of weird that e2ee is kind of afterthought everywhere. If I was making a chat system I'd obviously didn't want to keep anything that the users talk about on my servers unencrypted or decryptable. Why would you? If something is supposed to be public then keep it. If not, don't. The weird "we pinky promise to try to keep it non-public for some time" is a weird idea.

It turns out e2ee in a chatroom is really, really, really difficult.

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Post by pcthrowaway »

tabbott wrote: post #430

I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…

Do you know if migrating from Mattermost to Zulip is remotely possible?

I had been using Mattermost because it's also (mostly) FOSS. However, they've recently been changing their released OSS edition to restrict capabilities... Unfortunately the org I maintain it for is having some issues with it now and I have metaphorical egg on my face.

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Post by hiccup_socks »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #215
rsynnott wrote: post #141

It's kind of surprising that no-one has really come out with a proper privacy-preserving approach to this yet. It is clearly _possible_; there are reasonable-looking designs for this. But no-one's doing it; they're just collecting photos and IDs, and then leaking them all over the place.

> It is clearly _possible_ Is it? I don't think it is. I truly don't believe that there's any possible way to verify someone's age without collecting ID from them.

many countries already have a working system mostly integrated, so yes, i would say it is possible.

the government should issue physical tokens that are sold wherever you can buy booze or smokes. when you login to a service that needs age verification, you type in the code from your age token.

its pretty cheap, its low-tech, we are already accepting of showing id to a store clerk privacy-wise, we generally trust the enforcement mechanisms around smoking/drinking already, it would be easy to expand existing laws to accommodate selling them/punishing misuse.

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Post by phantomathkg »

tabbott wrote: post #430

I'm biased, as I lead the Zulip project. But I think this is a reasonable place for me to post some thoughts. Given current events in the USA, I can't emphasize enough how worried one should be about the fact that a few companies like Discord, Google (Gmail), and Meta have databases with access to the private conversations of hundreds of millions of people with their closest friends and family members, linked up with…

Self hosting could be an option, but it does not help when a country require you to identify if a user is adult or not.
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