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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by reddalo »

actionfromafar wrote: post #683
beAbU wrote: post #583

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It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not. Grok is a platform that is enabling this en masse. If xAI can't bring in guardrails or limit who can access these capabilities, then they deserve what's coming to them.

I think you are going a bit too far. Let's start from the beginning, create and own: You're sketching out some nude fanart on a piece of paper. You created that and own that. Thas has always been illegal ?! (This is apart from my feelings on Mechahitler/Grok, which aren't positive.)

You can _almost_ do anything you want in the privacy of your home; but in this case Twitter was actively and directly disseminating pictures publicly on their platform.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by master-lincoln »

beAbU wrote: post #583
exodust wrote: post #528

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It has always been illegal and morally reprehensible to create, own, distribute or store sexually explicit material that represents a real person without their consent, regardless if they are underage or not. Grok is a platform that is enabling this en masse. If xAI can't bring in guardrails or limit who can access these capabilities, then they deserve what's coming to them.

In which broken society do you live where this is true? I would say drawing sexually explicit pictures of real persons without their consent and keeping them in your drawer is neither illegal nor morally reprehensible in most of the world.

I am with you on publishing these...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

stubish wrote: post #432
wmf wrote: post #317

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Once he launched the rockets he can do whatever he wants with the profit. And he wants to train Grok.

Money comes with strings, such as when forming an ongoing relationship with a company you expect them to not merge with other companies you are actively prosecuting. I suspect the deal is going so fast to avoid some sort of veto being prepared. Once SpaceX and xAI are officially the same, you lose the ability to inflict meaningful penalties on xAI without penalizing yourself as an active business partner with SpaceX.

Was it a grant or a purchase? If I buy a pizza from the pizza shop, it costs them $10 to make, I pay $11, the $1 is profit and the owner can do what he wants with it. But if I get a grant from NLnet I have to spend it on what the grant proposal says. Though a lot of NLnet grants are for living costs while doing a project, so I can do what I like for that time if the project gets done.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

vessenes wrote: post #482
f30e3dfed1c9 wrote: post #426

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"I've been told by FBI agents that they believe assassination markets are legal in the US - protected speech." I don't believe you. Not sure what you mean by "assassination markets" exactly, but "Solicitation to commit a crime of violence" and "Conspiracy to murder" are definitely crimes.

An assassination market, at least the one we discussed, works like this - One or more people put up a bounty paid out on the death of someone. Anyone can submit a (sealed) description of the death. On death, the descriptions are opened — the one closest to the actual circumstances is paid the bounty. One of my portfolio companies had information about contributors to these markets — I was told by my FBI contact when…

Sounds like betting on Polymarket: will $person die this year? If you're going to kill him, you bet everything you have on yes right beforehand.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by watwut »

joe_mamba wrote: post #603
n4r9 wrote: post #568

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You want the French authorities to focus on the Epstein files to the exclusion of all other corporate misbehaviour? Also, it seems pretty likely that Musk is tangled up with the Epstein shit. First Musk claimed he turned down offer to go to the island. Now it turns out Musk repeatedly sought to visit, including wanting to know when the "wildest" party was happening, after Epstein was already known as a child sex abus…

>You want the French authorities to focus on the Epstein files to the exclusion of all other corporate misbehaviour? No i said no such thing, what I said was that the resources of authorities is a finite pie. If most of it goes towards petty stuff like corporate misbehavior that hurts nobody, there won't be enough for the grave crimes like actual child abuser that actually hurt real people. Same how police won't both…

> If most of it goes towards petty stuff like corporate misbehavior that hurts nobody, there won't be enough for the grave crimes like actual child abuser that actually hurt real people.

1.) That is not how it works, even if we ignore the fact that France is not USA.

2.) Lack of resources was not the issue with Epstein prosecution. The prosecutor was literally told to not investigate by her superiors who were trying to stop the case. She was told she is unsubordinated for doing it. Acosta giving Epstein sweetheart deal or seeking to stop the prosecutor is not the resources issue.

It is billionaires (Thiel, Musk, Gates), politicians (Clinton, Luthnic ) media darlings (Summers, Kraus and the rest of sexism is totally not a thing anymore crowd literally partying with Epstein) are to be protected at all cost issue. Even now, people implicated in Epstein files are still getting influential positions with explicit "it would be cancel culture to not give these people more influence" argument.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

nonethewiser wrote: post #76
robtherobber wrote: post #3

> The prosecutor's office also said it was leaving X and would communicate on LinkedIn and Instagram from now on. I mean, perhaps it's time to completely drop these US-owned, closed-source, algo-driven controversial platforms, and start treating the communication with the public that funds your existence in different terms. The goal should be to reach as many people, of course, but also to ensure that the method and…

>I mean, perhaps it's time to completely drop these US-owned, closed-source, algo-driven controversial platforms I think we are getting very close the the EU's own great firewall. There is currently a sort of identity crisis in the regulation. Big tech companies are breaking the laws left and right. So which is it? - fine harvesting mechanism? Keep as-is. - true user protection? Blacklist.

I support the EU harvesting money from evil companies

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by mnewme »

ReptileMan wrote: post #689
mnewme wrote: post #676

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I agree that users who break the law must be prosecuted. But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design. We already apply this logic elsewhere. Car makers must include seatbelts. Pharma companies must ensure safety. Platforms must moderate illegal content. Responsibility is shared when the risk is systemic.

>But that doesn’t remove responsibility from tool providers when harm is predictable, scalable, and preventable by design. Platforms moderating illegal content is exactly what we are arguing about, so you can't use it as an argument. The rest cases you list are harms to the people using the tools/products. It is not harms that people using the tools inflict on third parties. We are literally arguing about 3d printer…

That is not the argument. No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface, but X provides not only an AI model, but a platform and distribution as well, so that is inherently different

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

direwolf20 wrote: post #369
robtherobber wrote: post #71

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You appear to have posted a bit of a loaded question here, apologies if I'm misinterpreting your comment. It is, of course, the public that should decide what communication is of public interest, at least in a democracy operating optimally. I suppose the answer, if we're serious about it, is somewhat more nuanced. To begin, public administrations should not get to unilaterally define "the public interest" in their co…

Public institutions can use any system they want and make the public responsible for reading it.

I remember in some countries there's an official government newspaper. Laws reference publishing things in this paper (e.g. tax rate changes, radio frequency allocations) and the law is that you must follow it once it's published.

In practice the information is disseminated through many channels once it's released in the official newspaper. Mass media reports on anything widely relevant, niche media reports on things nichely relevant, and there's direct communication with anyone directly affected (recipient of a radio frequency allocation) so nobody really subscribes to the official government newspaper, but it's there and if there was a breakdown of communication systems that would be the last resort to ensure you are getting government updates.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by watwut »

joe_mamba wrote: post #540
amelius wrote: post #537

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I think the reasoning is that the AI contributes to more epsteins. In some way.

How? THat's like the 1993 moral panic that video games like Doom cause mass shootings, or the 1980's mass panic that metal music causes satanist, or the 1950s moral panic that superhero comic book violence leads to juvenile delinquency. Politicians are constantly looking for an external made up enemy to divert attention to from the real problems. People like Epstein and mass woman/child exploitation have existed for…

No, 20% of population is not seeking to abuse children nor teens. If you think so, you are moving in weird circles. In fact, what we also have are people who noped out of Epstein circle or even openly criticized it for years.

Also, framing the issue of sexual abuse by untouchable issue as the same as superhero comic issue (which itself was not just about superhero comic and you should know it) is spectacularly bad faith.

Yes, there were always people who were stealing, abusing, murdering for own gain and fun. That is not an argument for why we should accept and support it as normalized state of world. It is a good reason to prevent people from becoming too powerful and for building accountable institutions able to catch and punish them.

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